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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4782540" data-attributes="member: 18280">Cadfan,No one is arguing that an explosion of fantasy novels didn't occur in the 70's.I am, however, arguing that Hussar's statement (which I have quoted many times) is wrong.  In particular, he is wrong when he says "That bibliography represents a fairly large chunk of all the fantasy you could read at the time."  One only has to list available books and check them against the 1e DMG bibliography to demonstrate this.Within what you yourself quoted from wikipedia,In 1923 the first all-fantasy fiction magazine, Weird Tales was created. Many other similar magazines eventually followed, most noticeably The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction.  The pulp magazine format was at the height of its popularity at this time and was instrumental in bringing fantasy fiction to a wide audience in both the U.S. and Britain.So, "In 1923....bringing fantasy fiction to a wide audience in both the U.S. and Britain."Although Tolkien's works had been successful in Britain, it was not until the late 1960s that they finally became popular in America; however, at the point, they began to sell, and sell steadily, in large numbers.Again, "began to sell, and sell steadily, in large numbers" in the late 1960s.Although many fantasy novels of this time proved popular, it was not until 1977's The Sword of Shannara that publishers found the sort of breakthrough success they had hoped for.We note that the entry says that "many fantasy novels of this time proved popular" ("This time" being post-Tolkein, pre-1977).  Again, this is a denial of the basic idea that fantasy novels didn't exist then, eithe in numbers or in popularity.Finally, TSoS came out in 1977; the 1e DMG in 1979.  Clearly, again, by this time the boom had started.Hussar is simply, objectively (1), wrong in his assertation.@Mallus:  Maybe this is why the game came out in Wisconsin instead of New Jersey?  Better book stores?  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />RC(1)  Assumes that a standard for Fantasy follows that in common usage among those who study literature, as defined in The Encyclopedia of Fantasy, or some reasonable facsimile thereof.Also assumes that "a fairly large chunk" is not taken to mean something akin to "a fairly small listing".Of course, with this crowd........ <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

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