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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4338825" data-attributes="member: 2020">My experience was that wizards started to become seriously nasty when they reached 12th level, and gained access to all those nifty 6th level spells.&nbsp; We had Chromatic Orb (at 12th level, an Autokill), Death Spell, Disintegrate, Reverse Gravity, and some other arcane goodness.&nbsp; It got better, of course, but it was at 12th level that you seriously thought twice about messing with the wizard.&nbsp; Illusions are another matter.&nbsp; You are thinking of the old Phantasmal Force/Improved Phantasmal Force/Spectral Force/Advanced Illusion/Programmed Illusion/Permanent Illusion chain?&nbsp; Those spells rocked.&nbsp; They also tended to get out of hand, especially in 1E, even by *my* standards (and that is really saying something ... but when I see an adult DRAGON killed by a 1st level Phantasmal Force, then Houston, We Have a Problem.)&nbsp; In 2E, they introduced some controls on the spells, with nasty In Game consequences.&nbsp; Want to duplicate being burned to death?&nbsp; You only need to be fireballed in Illusion School, and fail your save.&nbsp; (Illusion School, must have been an interesting experience for young lads and lasses ...)&nbsp; I only saw one demihuman, in my entire gaming career, choose to go single class.&nbsp; But that's just me.&nbsp; I suppose others did it too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4338825, member: 2020"] My experience was that wizards started to become seriously nasty when they reached 12th level, and gained access to all those nifty 6th level spells. We had Chromatic Orb (at 12th level, an Autokill), Death Spell, Disintegrate, Reverse Gravity, and some other arcane goodness. It got better, of course, but it was at 12th level that you seriously thought twice about messing with the wizard. Illusions are another matter. You are thinking of the old Phantasmal Force/Improved Phantasmal Force/Spectral Force/Advanced Illusion/Programmed Illusion/Permanent Illusion chain? Those spells rocked. They also tended to get out of hand, especially in 1E, even by *my* standards (and that is really saying something ... but when I see an adult DRAGON killed by a 1st level Phantasmal Force, then Houston, We Have a Problem.) In 2E, they introduced some controls on the spells, with nasty In Game consequences. Want to duplicate being burned to death? You only need to be fireballed in Illusion School, and fail your save. (Illusion School, must have been an interesting experience for young lads and lasses ...) I only saw one demihuman, in my entire gaming career, choose to go single class. But that's just me. I suppose others did it too. [/QUOTE]

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