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Forked Thread: I hate game balance! (How elves wrecked the wizard and game balance)
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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4338842" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>(chuckles)</p><p></p><p> I remember the poor sacrificial lamb ... err, henchman. Yeah, I remember them. You agree to give them a fair share of the treasure, agree to all sorts of nice terms ... and make sure they are in front when the monsters appear (well, ok, only nasty evil PCs do that, right? Right? ..... )</p><p></p><p> Yeah, teamwork was crucial. Fighters protected the wizards, wizards acted as artillery and buffs (mostly artillery, back then.)</p><p> Melee combat was suicide for a magic-user back then (still is, I think ...) Actually, it would be more appropriate to say that the magic-user really couldn't melee (THAC0 20 at 5th level) and could basically stand there, while the monster chopped her down (only 13 hit points at 5th level, a mighty 23 hit points with 16 Con.)</p><p></p><p> So yeah, teamwork was crucial. With good players, we had teamwork.</p><p> Then we had the clowns. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I remember that too:</p><p></p><p> Fighters: We charge the monsters in the big open room!</p><p> Cleric: I charge the monsters in the big open room!</p><p> Rogue: I hide.</p><p> Wizard: Uh, guys. Uh ... they are coming around you at me. Uh, guys ... uh, is anyone paying attention to anything I say? No ...</p><p> Fighters: We CHOP em!</p><p> Cleric: I BASH em!</p><p> Rogue: I steal the party treasure while they're not looking.</p><p> Everyone (metagaming) No you don't!</p><p> Wizard: Urk! (dies, as 4 monsters stab her simultaneously.)</p><p> Rest of Party: Who needed the wizard anyways? We can kill the monsters! We'll kill the thief first, though.</p><p></p><p> You know that Table, I'll bet. You, and me, and the rest of us, have had the misfortune of sitting at that Table. (rueful look) Indeed, we have.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 4338842, member: 2020"] (chuckles) I remember the poor sacrificial lamb ... err, henchman. Yeah, I remember them. You agree to give them a fair share of the treasure, agree to all sorts of nice terms ... and make sure they are in front when the monsters appear (well, ok, only nasty evil PCs do that, right? Right? ..... ) Yeah, teamwork was crucial. Fighters protected the wizards, wizards acted as artillery and buffs (mostly artillery, back then.) Melee combat was suicide for a magic-user back then (still is, I think ...) Actually, it would be more appropriate to say that the magic-user really couldn't melee (THAC0 20 at 5th level) and could basically stand there, while the monster chopped her down (only 13 hit points at 5th level, a mighty 23 hit points with 16 Con.) So yeah, teamwork was crucial. With good players, we had teamwork. Then we had the clowns. :) I remember that too: Fighters: We charge the monsters in the big open room! Cleric: I charge the monsters in the big open room! Rogue: I hide. Wizard: Uh, guys. Uh ... they are coming around you at me. Uh, guys ... uh, is anyone paying attention to anything I say? No ... Fighters: We CHOP em! Cleric: I BASH em! Rogue: I steal the party treasure while they're not looking. Everyone (metagaming) No you don't! Wizard: Urk! (dies, as 4 monsters stab her simultaneously.) Rest of Party: Who needed the wizard anyways? We can kill the monsters! We'll kill the thief first, though. You know that Table, I'll bet. You, and me, and the rest of us, have had the misfortune of sitting at that Table. (rueful look) Indeed, we have. [/QUOTE]
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