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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4703329" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>The main flaw there is that the Heritage (Draconic, Infernal, Fey, etc.) feats have Sorcerer as a prereq- once you have 1 level of that, though, you can apply the feat to any arcane spell slot.</p><p></p><p>The Sorc also has better casting, at least in the sense of a faster progression into higher-level spells (which do correspondingly more damage). Zero-level spells don't work with the Draconic Breath feat, and the Bard doesn't get a 1st level spell until 2nd level...and that one is a bonus based on a high casting stat.</p><p></p><p>As for spell competition, the PC in question has 3 basic criteria in spell selection:</p><p></p><p>1) Spells without somatic components, so they can be cast in armor without penalty.</p><p></p><p>2) Spells that are otherwise useful- he's generally got blasting covered by his BW.</p><p></p><p>3) Blasting spells that do things he can't do with his BW AND fit his self-image.</p><p></p><p>4) Electrical spells in general.</p><p></p><p>The third one is made easier in that the DM approved a HR that lets casters learn variants of spells that have already been modified by some kind of metamagic without having to know that feat. This lets us have flexibility in spell selection, but still locks down the mechanics of our known spells unless we actually know metamagic feats.</p><p></p><p>IOW, since he sees himself as a human descendant of a blue dragon (hence his preference for scale mail), and has a lightning BW, he prefers electrically themed blasting spells. (And since he's somewhat of an idiot, he doesn't realize the value of learning energy-based attack spells that AREN'T electrically themed.) So nearly every energy-based attack spell he learns is going to be "metamagically" learned as an electrical spell.</p><p></p><p>What that all boils down to is that he really doesn't have any "competition" on his spell list- at least not from HIS perspective.</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong- I like the blasting bard idea, and thought about MC into that class. But mechanically and thematically, MC into Marshal (had it been allowed) or Fighter were more on target.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4703329, member: 19675"] The main flaw there is that the Heritage (Draconic, Infernal, Fey, etc.) feats have Sorcerer as a prereq- once you have 1 level of that, though, you can apply the feat to any arcane spell slot. The Sorc also has better casting, at least in the sense of a faster progression into higher-level spells (which do correspondingly more damage). Zero-level spells don't work with the Draconic Breath feat, and the Bard doesn't get a 1st level spell until 2nd level...and that one is a bonus based on a high casting stat. As for spell competition, the PC in question has 3 basic criteria in spell selection: 1) Spells without somatic components, so they can be cast in armor without penalty. 2) Spells that are otherwise useful- he's generally got blasting covered by his BW. 3) Blasting spells that do things he can't do with his BW AND fit his self-image. 4) Electrical spells in general. The third one is made easier in that the DM approved a HR that lets casters learn variants of spells that have already been modified by some kind of metamagic without having to know that feat. This lets us have flexibility in spell selection, but still locks down the mechanics of our known spells unless we actually know metamagic feats. IOW, since he sees himself as a human descendant of a blue dragon (hence his preference for scale mail), and has a lightning BW, he prefers electrically themed blasting spells. (And since he's somewhat of an idiot, he doesn't realize the value of learning energy-based attack spells that AREN'T electrically themed.) So nearly every energy-based attack spell he learns is going to be "metamagically" learned as an electrical spell. What that all boils down to is that he really doesn't have any "competition" on his spell list- at least not from HIS perspective. Don't get me wrong- I like the blasting bard idea, and thought about MC into that class. But mechanically and thematically, MC into Marshal (had it been allowed) or Fighter were more on target. [/QUOTE]
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