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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4589015" data-attributes="member: 48965">Thasmodius, instead of trying to make subtle jibs at my post history??<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  Why don't you state what it is you're trying to say as far as this discussion is concerned...I mean I'm not bringing up the fact that your history of posting shows that you will stretch and contort to defend 4e as the end all and be all game that does absolutely everything.Uhm, what you fail to grasp, is that I'm not talking about the DMG...where have you seen me make reference to that book.  The rules for magic items are in the PHB in 4e...wait, let me guess...even the rules in the PHB are only guidelines...and not really real rules.  So what exactly are considered actual rules and what are guidelines...I mean according to your philosophy rolling a d20 is only a suggestion, right?  Well then how can we possibly have a logical discourse on "the game" if nothing in these books are considered rules?    In the end what does this have to do with whether 4e (as it is written right now, not in the future or how you can modify it) makes magic items less mysterious than previous editions?  Or was this just a chance for you to be oh so witty and condescending and still manage to avoid addressing the real question.</blockquote>

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