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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4391868" data-attributes="member: 710">The strange thing here is that I remember Celtavian starting out with a more or less negative attitude towards 4E. (And I don't think his position changed towards the "nerfing" of Wizards). So, what is it in 4E that makes defenders of it come off badly? I think it's because it is so awesome that we can't really get people not liking it. We can only assume that people that don't like it never gave it a real try, because we did and it worked like a charm. And many (but certainly not all, and I wouldn't even take bets on a majority) will never want to go back. Even if this means I can't yet play a Bard or a Rogue sneak attacking with a Longsword.How would a 3E defender come off against a AD&D fan? Or against an Earthdawn or Rolemaster fan?</blockquote>