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<blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 4500078" data-attributes="member: 1003">My comment was influenced by the fact that I played with two guys who were optimisers. They had their feat selections planned out through level 20 and were brutally effective. That left the rest of us with the choice of matching them or practically sitting out half the fights.&nbsp; My character concepts were totally useless in the face of that.&nbsp; I had to rebuild three times in 8 levels just to participate (and I'm glad my DM let me).Which comes back to what we all play D&amp;D &quot;for&quot;.&nbsp; Some people get a kick out of tweaking the system (just like hot rodding a car they can't legally drive or over-clocking a PC used for web surfing to 5 Ghz), and 3E was great for them, but their presence made it a lot less fun for people who were there for the roleplaying/storytelling aspects of the game. It was like showing up a friendly game of pick-up basketball only to find that one of the guys had modded his sneakers to make him run 2x as fast and jump 2x as high. It's a neat trick and cool proof of concept, but it doesn't make for good basketball.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Irda Ranger, post: 4500078, member: 1003"] My comment was influenced by the fact that I played with two guys who were optimisers. They had their feat selections planned out through level 20 and were brutally effective. That left the rest of us with the choice of matching them or practically sitting out half the fights. My character concepts were totally useless in the face of that. I had to rebuild three times in 8 levels just to participate (and I'm glad my DM let me). Which comes back to what we all play D&D "for". Some people get a kick out of tweaking the system (just like hot rodding a car they can't legally drive or over-clocking a PC used for web surfing to 5 Ghz), and 3E was great for them, but their presence made it a lot less fun for people who were there for the roleplaying/storytelling aspects of the game. It was like showing up a friendly game of pick-up basketball only to find that one of the guys had modded his sneakers to make him run 2x as fast and jump 2x as high. It's a neat trick and cool proof of concept, but it doesn't make for good basketball. [/QUOTE]

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