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<blockquote data-quote="AtomicPope" data-source="post: 4348121" data-attributes="member: 64790">You say it like it's common place.&nbsp; Provide an example.&nbsp; Please don't flood the thread with unsupported objections.&nbsp;In 4e you can create a character that tries multiple moves over and over and is a complete failure.&nbsp; It's really easy <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />&nbsp; Make a fighter with a Strength Penalty and give him Reliable Powers.&nbsp; Then choose feats and Utilities that allow you to regain powers.&nbsp; Voila!&nbsp; You've created a Tomato Can.&nbsp;Grappling can be random.&nbsp; People have KO'd themselves in grappling.&nbsp; Example?&nbsp; Matt Lindland UFC 43.&nbsp;The reality is when a commentator says, &quot;he's going for an armbar!&quot; usually they're just attempting to position themselves to sink a submission.&nbsp; Depending on position they will attempt the best submission available.&nbsp; From mount with one leg vined you're not going to armbar.&nbsp; Kimura, keylock, or even an arm triangle but not an armbar.&nbsp; Commentators will say, &quot;he's going for an armbar!&quot; unless those commentators are Rutten or Rogan.&nbsp;They call it a &quot;Puncher's Chance&quot; because they have a known skill as a power puncher.&nbsp; They possess punching power that is tested in the ring.&nbsp; If someone never scored a knockout they wouldn't have a Puncher's Chance.&nbsp; They would have no chance <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yeah, it's just like WWE.&nbsp; It's not like anyone has died in boxing, Muay Thai or MMA before <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm&nbsp; &nbsp; :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" />&nbsp;&nbsp;Totally unrealistic!&nbsp; Complete BS!&nbsp; I'm sure you could take any one of these guys in the street.&nbsp; (Puts on his movie voice)&nbsp; Where there's no rules except the rules of survival <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="AtomicPope, post: 4348121, member: 64790"] You say it like it's common place. Provide an example. Please don't flood the thread with unsupported objections. In 4e you can create a character that tries multiple moves over and over and is a complete failure. It's really easy :p Make a fighter with a Strength Penalty and give him Reliable Powers. Then choose feats and Utilities that allow you to regain powers. Voila! You've created a Tomato Can. Grappling can be random. People have KO'd themselves in grappling. Example? Matt Lindland UFC 43. The reality is when a commentator says, "he's going for an armbar!" usually they're just attempting to position themselves to sink a submission. Depending on position they will attempt the best submission available. From mount with one leg vined you're not going to armbar. Kimura, keylock, or even an arm triangle but not an armbar. Commentators will say, "he's going for an armbar!" unless those commentators are Rutten or Rogan. They call it a "Puncher's Chance" because they have a [I]known skill[/I] as a power puncher. They possess punching power that is [I]tested[/I] in the ring. If someone never scored a knockout they wouldn't have a Puncher's Chance. They would have no chance ;) Yeah, it's just like WWE. It's not like anyone has died in boxing, Muay Thai or MMA before :hmm: Totally unrealistic! Complete BS! I'm sure you could take any one of these guys in the street. (Puts on his movie voice) Where there's no rules except the rules of survival :eek: [/QUOTE]

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