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Message: <blockquote data-quote="xechnao" data-source="post: 4348861" data-attributes="member: 58105">No you are twisting my argument. What I was saying is that put any normal guy including those trained to be professional boxers or mma pros to face such a situation and leave him the option to avoid it and see what happens. My point is that these guys would have no confidence or advantage due to their ring skills versus a really mad guy that puts all his energy into violence (not ring victory-which are two different things). And I think this makes no sense. It is not applicable. If you are threatened and respond violently to save your ass how can one distinguish one physical violence from another? There is not such a thing.I said if you asked them they would choose to run away and save the day if there was such an oprion -as any normal guy. If they were pitted and forced to face a situation they would do so -as anyone among us would ultimately defend himself if he had no other choice. The only considerable parameter here can be one's fitness level. But you do not need to be a martial artist for this. Any guy that has any physical activity that conditions his fitness at optimum levels would fare the same as far as any advantage he can have in a physical situation, including violence. Regarding ring pros. We are all humans you know. They do not have a different abilities than you and me -including violence which is something instinctive. Only ring memory and specialized conditioning for lasting in the ring sport they are specialized to.We are humans. We are talking about our human abilities that helped us survive so far in the wild. This is how we are made. I do not think we can't try to model realistically these things. But you better ask a physiologist or biologist (or think about it from such a perspective) than take examples from cultural traditions such as boxing or martial arts.</blockquote>

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