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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4351531" data-attributes="member: 19675">But even if there is something supernatural going on- which I'm not conceding for the exploits, BTW- you should expect that as a character's mastery of the "supernatural" increases, things that were once a terrible strain become almost casually easy.The young Skywalker needed to concentrate on the Force to help him hit a target of a size he routinely hit in casual target practice because he was in a combat situation.Judging by the abilities of other Jedi in the series, an experienced Jedi could have made that shot with enough ease that he wouldn't be flying down the Death Star's channel with his eyes closed trying to gain his focus.And could do so repeatedly.Even buying into that argument, Fighters gain a lot of these daily powers as they advance, most described as hitting someone extra hard or skillfuly.  Yet each one exhausts the PC in a unique way?  That seems a bit of a stretch.Wouldn't it make more sense to say that the Fighter has a pool of rarely usable abilities that he can use, as a group, X times per day?  Lets assume a PC with 2 4Ed martial "dailies," meaning he can use each one once.  In the alternative just proposed, he could do just that, or he could use one 2 times, and the other not at all.  When he gets up to 3 dalies, he could use one 3 times and the others not at all, one 2 times and another once, or each 1 time per day.That's part of it.I think your alternative is a bit thin, honestly.  Given the hooplah about discrete power sources etc., I'm a bit loathe to implying the supernatural when none is self-evident.I have no problem with the at wills and only slight issues with per encounters.  I just don't buy into the logic of the martial dailies.Extended rest is one thing, a full day's rest is quite another, given the exploit descriptions. andAgain, I have little complaint about per encounter abilities.I have no problem with purely magical daily abilities.I have a serious problem with the logic behind all non-magical daily abilities.  The reliable ones aren't as bad, but I still don't think they make any sense being limited as they are.Well, looking at the "Bigby" example first, in 3.X, that was handled with a feat, Spell Thematics, which gave an adjustment to Spellcraft checks because of the alteration.  A lot of people- myself included- allowed people to exchange having to take the feat so they could have the visual & auditory effects they wanted, but without the Spellcraft check alteration.OTOH, while use of a daily against a true 4Ed minion would indeed be inconsequential, use of a daily against an inferior but still competent foe generally would not be.Now, a DM could use a dose of handwavium and then subsequently let you use that same daily against one inferior (non-minion) foe after another, or only count uses of dailies against "real" opponents (say, those less than half your PC level)- but that isn't how the rules are structured.If they were, I'd have less of a problem.After all, that isn't unlike the mechanics for the 3.X Shadowcaster (ToM).  At low levels, certain powers have limited uses.  As the PC advances as a Shadowcaster, those limitations lessen, until at high levels, many of the less powerful abilities are essentially usable at will.Its also not unlike the 3.X "dailies" that some classes have- as the PC advances, they gain additional uses of their "dailies."</blockquote>

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