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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4363836" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>We're discussing the rules as they are, not what we can HR them into.</p><p></p><p>HP? This isn't about HP. (Though I also dislike 4Ed Healing surges, but that's a different thread, I'm sure.)</p><p></p><p>I've been playing D&D since 1977. Ditto Traveller. I've played 100 or so different systems and playtested a few. Some had HP, some didn't.</p><p></p><p>An illogical mechanic is illogical regardless of the system around it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, the greater or lesser at wills or per encounters, but not dailies.</p><p></p><p>Were 4Ed really a "Ki" thing, more powerful abilities would be more draining, and thus, would be performed less frequently. In addition, as the person grew in control and amount of Ki, all of his abilities would increase in power.</p><p></p><p>Instead, 4Ed has lesser powers that remain stuck at 1/use/day with a static benefit, while other, "more draining" abilities may be performed multiply...but retain an essentially static benefit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not that you know my actual mental state, but "It is better to be an unhappy Socrates..."</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really.</p><p></p><p>"Minion" has a specific definition in 4Ed. Essentially, they're tissue paper opponents- one blow and they're done.</p><p></p><p>A "mook," as I've been using the word (admittedly, sometimes interchangeably with "minion") is a foe of significantly lesser level than the PC. That could be anything from an actual 4Ed Minion to someone just the tier below the PC.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sticking with Socrates.</p><p></p><p>My dislike of certain 4Ed mechanics isn't going to be altered by your cutesy assertions to "think more" or "think less" depending upon your whim. Why you think acting obtuse is enjoyable is your own concern, not mine.</p><p></p><p>I call things like I see them: There are things I do like about the game, but ultimately, I see 4Ed as being a flawed product that does not meet my purposes or standards. One day I may play it- I'm not going to miss out on role-play just because I hate the system- but it will never be my game of choice on either side of the screen.</p><p></p><p>Too much poop, not enough pony.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, a higher level PC has more daily powers than a lower level one. Big whoop.</p><p></p><p>Each daily power is singular in use- illogical in the context of a PC with more powerful per-encounter abilities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4363836, member: 19675"] We're discussing the rules as they are, not what we can HR them into. HP? This isn't about HP. (Though I also dislike 4Ed Healing surges, but that's a different thread, I'm sure.) I've been playing D&D since 1977. Ditto Traveller. I've played 100 or so different systems and playtested a few. Some had HP, some didn't. An illogical mechanic is illogical regardless of the system around it. Yes, the greater or lesser at wills or per encounters, but not dailies. Were 4Ed really a "Ki" thing, more powerful abilities would be more draining, and thus, would be performed less frequently. In addition, as the person grew in control and amount of Ki, all of his abilities would increase in power. Instead, 4Ed has lesser powers that remain stuck at 1/use/day with a static benefit, while other, "more draining" abilities may be performed multiply...but retain an essentially static benefit. Not that you know my actual mental state, but "It is better to be an unhappy Socrates..." Not really. "Minion" has a specific definition in 4Ed. Essentially, they're tissue paper opponents- one blow and they're done. A "mook," as I've been using the word (admittedly, sometimes interchangeably with "minion") is a foe of significantly lesser level than the PC. That could be anything from an actual 4Ed Minion to someone just the tier below the PC. I'm sticking with Socrates. My dislike of certain 4Ed mechanics isn't going to be altered by your cutesy assertions to "think more" or "think less" depending upon your whim. Why you think acting obtuse is enjoyable is your own concern, not mine. I call things like I see them: There are things I do like about the game, but ultimately, I see 4Ed as being a flawed product that does not meet my purposes or standards. One day I may play it- I'm not going to miss out on role-play just because I hate the system- but it will never be my game of choice on either side of the screen. Too much poop, not enough pony. Yes, a higher level PC has more daily powers than a lower level one. Big whoop. Each daily power is singular in use- illogical in the context of a PC with more powerful per-encounter abilities. [/QUOTE]
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