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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4535778" data-attributes="member: 72317">I would personally prefer a new spell that did something radically different, rather than just a reflavoured version of an existing spell. I actually feel that the illusion spells in an earlier issue of dragon seemed like a step in the wrong direction, in that it only seemed to highlight the limitations of 4e mechanics, if the only thing separating an illusion spell from an evocation spell was flavour (they pretty much did the same thing - target a defense, deal some damage, had a secondary debuff effect). Also, I am not to sure if this example violates the last rule, and some will have already heard it before, but just bear with me.[sblock=Example<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" />A long while back I went to the Character Optimization board with a build request, and I ended up with a character build with eight classes -- two base, six prestige. My request wasn't for the most power available short of Pun-Pun, or to heavily focus on one thing so as to be unbeatable in that area, nor was I just looking for the most multiclassed build possible. My request was more along the lines of "My werebear barbarian PC and his redeemed succubus wife have children, how can I assemble a character that demonstrates the capabilities of that mixed heritage, for when the kids grow up into playable characters?" After a lot of discussion a build was worked out: Bard 4/Barbarian 1/Spellsword 1/Dragonslayer 1/Rage Mage 2/Bear Warrior 1/Sublime Chord 1/Eldritch Knight 9. This grants BAB +17/+12/+7/+2, Charisma-based spontaneous casting of a small number of level 1-9 spells on the bard and sorcerer/wizard spell lists, a limited ability to ignore arcane spell failure, limited bardic knowlege, rage, the ability to cast spells while raging, and the ability to transform into a bear while raging, as well as some other minor abilities that aren't so important. You might look at that class combination and cringe, thinking "What an overcomplicated, unfocused, dipped mess of a class collection." I look at it and think "This is Rachel Lovato, an energetic and outgoing young woman who's a capable warrior. She can draw on the bestial strength passed down from her father David, the compelling presence and magical talents of Seneca her mother, and the fiery temper she inherited from both. She prefers to get by with her cunning and charm, but she's a bit of a tomboy and likes a good brawl more than is proper for a lady. She hasn't seen as much of the multiverse as her parents, but she learned a little about everything from the stories they told her as a child, and it serves Rachel well in her own adventures." (I also think that from a raw power perspective, a single-classed Druid 20 would defeat Rachel easily.)[/sblock]You can argue that it may not be a fair comparison, since 4e only has so many splatbooks to draw upon so far, but do note that the aforementioned example was built using aggressive multiclassing, which is currently not possible under 4e rules, so I don't see it being viable in the future either. Closest thing I can come to is a shifter bard with warlock multiclass?</blockquote>

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