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<blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 4391656" data-attributes="member: 892"><p>I would say that the game is mechanically complete. All the needed pc roles are available, and the monsters are themselves divided into roles that are also available as challenges at multiple levels of play. So if you need a level 15 artillery monster, you can get it.</p><p></p><p>For monsters, a lot more can be done with fluff. Need metallic dragons? Use the stats for a chromatic dragon and add a coat of metallic paint, for now.</p><p></p><p>For other pc characters, one would counsel patience. It took years for various base classes to come out in 3.x. The other classes will come, so we are really only investigating the order. Come to think of it, 3rd ed. is the only edition that had barbarians as a core class right off the bat. With 1st ed. it came out in the Unearthed Arcana, with 2nd ed. it came out as a kit, and I don't think it was ever a pc option for BXCMI D&D.</p><p></p><p>But some of the magic was deliberately excluded to stop the pc from controllng 30 dudes and bogging down the game and to control action economy, or are otherwise troublesome (illusions and polymorph magic has always been problematic, so I can see them taking time to work these out). I assume that the game designers are working on ways to incorporate other magics in a way that will work.</p><p></p><p>But work the bugs out they will. Patience, young padwan. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Particle_Man, post: 4391656, member: 892"] I would say that the game is mechanically complete. All the needed pc roles are available, and the monsters are themselves divided into roles that are also available as challenges at multiple levels of play. So if you need a level 15 artillery monster, you can get it. For monsters, a lot more can be done with fluff. Need metallic dragons? Use the stats for a chromatic dragon and add a coat of metallic paint, for now. For other pc characters, one would counsel patience. It took years for various base classes to come out in 3.x. The other classes will come, so we are really only investigating the order. Come to think of it, 3rd ed. is the only edition that had barbarians as a core class right off the bat. With 1st ed. it came out in the Unearthed Arcana, with 2nd ed. it came out as a kit, and I don't think it was ever a pc option for BXCMI D&D. But some of the magic was deliberately excluded to stop the pc from controllng 30 dudes and bogging down the game and to control action economy, or are otherwise troublesome (illusions and polymorph magic has always been problematic, so I can see them taking time to work these out). I assume that the game designers are working on ways to incorporate other magics in a way that will work. But work the bugs out they will. Patience, young padwan. :) [/QUOTE]
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