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<blockquote data-quote="wayne62682" data-source="post: 4393591" data-attributes="member: 40455">This is half nonsense to any decent group.&nbsp; The Gnome is still there, just in a different book.&nbsp; The Bard I admit would be a little difficult to make in 4E as it stands, although you could probably make a reasonable one with a Rogue/Wizard multiclass wit a lot of flavor reworking (musical instrument as Implement?).&nbsp; Half-Orc barbarian could be done with rules for an Orc Fighter.&nbsp; Rage is largely superfluous and could be flavor only (you'd obviously be taking the more heavy-hitting Fighter powers, so just say that you froth at the mouth and howl during those attacks), or if you really wanted to the DM could create some kind of ability to sub in.Of course there's the whole &quot;Oh that means it's broken, because it requires DM Fiat&quot; argument (which is, again, nonsense) but it *could* be done.&nbsp; It wouldn't be a total crossover, but I don't see how anything from 3E could be 100% transated to 4E just because the dynamics totally changed (for the better, I might add).Saying &quot;I can't play my Half-Orc Barbarian anymore thanks to 4E&quot; is one thing.&nbsp; Saying &quot;I can't play my Half-Orc Barbarian because of 4E, and me and my group are unwilling to work out a temporary solution for me&quot; is totally different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wayne62682, post: 4393591, member: 40455"] This is half nonsense to any decent group. The Gnome is [B]still there[/B], just in a different book. The Bard I admit would be a little difficult to make in 4E as it stands, although you could probably make a reasonable one with a Rogue/Wizard multiclass wit a lot of flavor reworking (musical instrument as Implement?). Half-Orc barbarian could be done with rules for an Orc Fighter. Rage is largely superfluous and could be flavor only (you'd obviously be taking the more heavy-hitting Fighter powers, so just say that you froth at the mouth and howl during those attacks), or if you really wanted to the DM could create some kind of ability to sub in. Of course there's the whole "Oh that means it's broken, because it requires DM Fiat" argument (which is, again, nonsense) but it *could* be done. It wouldn't be a total crossover, but I don't see how [B]anything[/B] from 3E could be 100% transated to 4E just because the dynamics totally changed (for the better, I might add). Saying "I can't play my Half-Orc Barbarian anymore thanks to 4E" is one thing. Saying "I can't play my Half-Orc Barbarian because of 4E, and me and my group are unwilling to work out a temporary solution for me" is totally different. [/QUOTE]

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