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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Haffrung Helleyes" data-source="post: 4393842" data-attributes="member: 1068">completenessI still maintain that a fantasy game without rules for necromancy, illusion, enchantment, or summoning is not complete. I don't care about the classes nearly as much.  I doubt that I would miss the bard -- I always thought singing in combat was silly.  And I'll be the first to agree that Barbarian can be rolled back into the fighter class without much loss, especially since the fighter class needed broadening.But 4E doesn't provide the tools to simulate much of the magic that is common in myth and folklore, nor to allow spellcasting characters to do the sort of magical things that they could do in other FRPGs.And the whole thing with economy of actions -- well, I grant the point, but there are other ways of solving it.  For example, one could say that it took all of a spellcaster's concetration to control a summoned monster. Instead, we got a gutted spellcasting system.  Sure, they'll probably put a lot of stuff back in the expansion books that come out in the future.  But that in no way makes what is currently out there 'complete'.Ken</blockquote>