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<blockquote data-quote="CountPopeula" data-source="post: 4395106" data-attributes="member: 27250">This, I think, is the problem people are having with 4e. The whole &quot;It's not complete&quot; is more &quot;it's different.&quot;4e does feel a lot more like a new system with the D&amp;D name than a continuation of D&amp;D. But that happens, and I think the system should be judged on its merit. Rules evolve and games change. NFL Football is far different than the game Harvard and Yale played in the late 19th century, but it is still football.Interestingly, football fans have a similar reaction to rules changes as D&amp;D fans. Google &quot;horse-collar tackle&quot; if you don't believe me. And older fans generally talk about how the game isn't the same as it was when they were younger.But the NFL Red Grange played in is still the same NFL today, even with the restructuring, the AFL merger, the addition of the Super Bowl, helmets and shoulder pads, the forward pass, instant replay challenges and the two-point conversion.The advantage to having a huge IP like D&amp;D is that you can sell a lot of copies on the name. A LOT of copies. The disadvantage is that people have an idea in their head of what the game &quot;is&quot; already.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CountPopeula, post: 4395106, member: 27250"] This, I think, is the problem people are having with 4e. The whole "It's not complete" is more "it's different." 4e does feel a lot more like a new system with the D&D name than a continuation of D&D. But that happens, and I think the system should be judged on its merit. Rules evolve and games change. NFL Football is far different than the game Harvard and Yale played in the late 19th century, but it is still football. Interestingly, football fans have a similar reaction to rules changes as D&D fans. Google "horse-collar tackle" if you don't believe me. And older fans generally talk about how the game isn't the same as it was when they were younger. But the NFL Red Grange played in is still the same NFL today, even with the restructuring, the AFL merger, the addition of the Super Bowl, helmets and shoulder pads, the forward pass, instant replay challenges and the two-point conversion. The advantage to having a huge IP like D&D is that you can sell a lot of copies on the name. A LOT of copies. The disadvantage is that people have an idea in their head of what the game "is" already. [/QUOTE]

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