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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4395392" data-attributes="member: 48965">I think in the BLT analogy...rpg's in general are sandwiches, while specific roleplaying games are specific sandwiches.&nbsp; To say I just wanted a very good sandwich is to say I just wanted a good rpg. This could, depending on one's tastes include Exalted, WoD, D&amp;D 4e, Runequest, Warhammer FRPG, True20 or Pathfinder. &nbsp;Now if you want D&amp;D in particular, then you are buying it because you expect (from past experiences) certain things from said game.&nbsp; I wouldn't buy Exalted 3e and expect it to have become the grim and grity game of sub-par mortals fighting just to survive, and I wouldn't buy a new edition of Warhammer FRPG and expect it to be the game of reborn demi-gods who once ruled creation...even though, arguably, these games are both about &quot;killing things and taking their stuff&quot; and I like both games.&nbsp; It's the tropes and flavor that set these two games apart.D&amp;D 4e feels incomplete because it has removed many of the previous editions tropes...both fluff and mechanical...and replaced them with less.&nbsp; Some people like you went in wanting just a good fantasy game with the name D&amp;D on it, Others expected an evolution, but not lessening, of the things that are familiar to them in D&amp;D.&nbsp; The latter category plays D&amp;D for a particular feel and style that they feel isn't represented well by D&amp;D 4e, often because it has cut instead of expanding from the previous edition.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4395392, member: 48965"] I think in the BLT analogy...rpg's in general are sandwiches, while specific roleplaying games are specific sandwiches. To say I just wanted a very good sandwich is to say I just wanted a good rpg. This could, depending on one's tastes include Exalted, WoD, D&D 4e, Runequest, Warhammer FRPG, True20 or Pathfinder. Now if you want D&D in particular, then you are buying it because you expect (from past experiences) certain things from said game. I wouldn't buy Exalted 3e and expect it to have become the grim and grity game of sub-par mortals fighting just to survive, and I wouldn't buy a new edition of Warhammer FRPG and expect it to be the game of reborn demi-gods who once ruled creation...even though, arguably, these games are both about "killing things and taking their stuff" and I like both games. It's the tropes and flavor that set these two games apart. D&D 4e feels incomplete because it has removed many of the previous editions tropes...both fluff and mechanical...and replaced them with less. Some people like you went in wanting just a good fantasy game with the name D&D on it, Others expected an evolution, but not lessening, of the things that are familiar to them in D&D. The latter category plays D&D for a particular feel and style that they feel isn't represented well by D&D 4e, often because it has cut instead of expanding from the previous edition. [/QUOTE]

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