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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4401137" data-attributes="member: 48965">Just a quick note...Actually the whole party can fly in 4e...Cloud Chariot is a cleric power.&nbsp; It functions until dismissed or an extended rest is taken. So the whole party can fly all day long with this power.The Cleric also has a flight power he can use on others called Angel of the Eleven Winds.I think the flight problem arises because a DM is not taking into consideration the abilities a group has.&nbsp; This has nothing to do with it existing in a game or not.&nbsp; In the Ogre example... modify them to have ranged attacks that are effective or choose a new monster. This is like saying Golems, Purple Worms, and other monsters (that are all viable challenges level wise for a party with flight abilities) suck, because the party can fly over it... well yeah so how is this an edition specific problem, and how did 4e in any way solve it?Edit: Sorrowsworn and Gorgons can fly..my bad.&nbsp; So I chose a new example.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4401137, member: 48965"] Just a quick note... Actually the whole party can fly in 4e...Cloud Chariot is a cleric power. It functions until dismissed or an extended rest is taken. So the whole party can fly all day long with this power. The Cleric also has a flight power he can use on others called Angel of the Eleven Winds. I think the flight problem arises because a DM is not taking into consideration the abilities a group has. This has nothing to do with it existing in a game or not. In the Ogre example... modify them to have ranged attacks that are effective or choose a new monster. This is like saying Golems, Purple Worms, and other monsters (that are all viable challenges level wise for a party with flight abilities) suck, because the party can fly over it... well yeah so how is this an edition specific problem, and how did 4e in any way solve it? Edit: Sorrowsworn and Gorgons can fly..my bad. So I chose a new example. [/QUOTE]

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