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<blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 4748442" data-attributes="member: 1106">Contemporary examples?&nbsp; Costumes with demon horns and tail, Hollywood depictions of Lucifer, or Buffy/Charmed demons, maybe, but all these are fully fledged demons in concept, not hybrids.&nbsp; And the tiefling look is very stylised in an ungeneric way.&nbsp; Dragonmen I'm kind of struggling to think of a contemporary example.&nbsp; A big hint that they're kind of a niche concept is the lack of a clear name you can point to for them.&nbsp; Would have gone with &quot;cambion&quot; and &quot;mandrake&quot; (yes, I know it's a root) myself if we had to have the things everywhere in the core, although no-one really knows what a cambion is either, so that's hardly much better. Let's face it - these are &quot;Dragon Lite&quot; and &quot;Demon Lite&quot;, just as the shifter is &quot;Lycanthrope Lite&quot; (or less cryptically, &quot;Werewolf Lite&quot;).&nbsp; The real problem here is that a watered down &quot;blood-of&quot; race doesn't have a proper name in english that's readily understandable to the uninterested bystander without jarring direct references (as in the case of the IMO awkward-and-contrived-sounding dragonborn and shifter names).What D&amp;D really wants is Dragon, Werewolf and Demon there in the races section, but there are obvious reasons why this cannot be done without severe repercussions.&nbsp; I object to the &quot;Monster Lites&quot; in the core implied setting, because I disagree that they're the same great monster taste, less calories (or, if you prefer, don't relegate worldbuilding to an oddball kitchen sink mishmash of an implied setting by default, nor sit awkwardly next to the real mccoys).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rounser, post: 4748442, member: 1106"] Contemporary examples? Costumes with demon horns and tail, Hollywood depictions of Lucifer, or Buffy/Charmed demons, maybe, but all these are fully fledged demons in concept, not hybrids. And the tiefling look is very stylised in an ungeneric way. Dragonmen I'm kind of struggling to think of a contemporary example. A big hint that they're kind of a niche concept is the lack of a clear name you can point to for them. Would have gone with "cambion" and "mandrake" (yes, I know it's a root) myself if we had to have the things everywhere in the core, although no-one really knows what a cambion is either, so that's hardly much better. Let's face it - these are "Dragon Lite" and "Demon Lite", just as the shifter is "Lycanthrope Lite" (or less cryptically, "Werewolf Lite"). The real problem here is that a watered down "blood-of" race doesn't have a proper name in english that's readily understandable to the uninterested bystander without jarring direct references (as in the case of the IMO awkward-and-contrived-sounding dragonborn and shifter names). What D&D really wants is Dragon, Werewolf and Demon there in the races section, but there are obvious reasons why this cannot be done without severe repercussions. I object to the "Monster Lites" in the core implied setting, because I disagree that they're the same great monster taste, less calories (or, if you prefer, don't relegate worldbuilding to an oddball kitchen sink mishmash of an implied setting by default, nor sit awkwardly next to the real mccoys). [/QUOTE]

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