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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 4376900" data-attributes="member: 17077">Keep it civil, please.Please read the defintion of "controller" in the PHB, both in the role descrptions and in the Wizard class itself. Area effect damage (even if it has no side effects) is part of the "controller" role. It's not just a part, but a MAJOR part of that role. In fact, one of the Wizard builds is the war mage, which focuses on such spells rather than those that inflict debilitating effects or hamper enemies. And while clerics get many of these types of spells, we don't see Wizards getting any healing abilities - one of the defining features of the leader role.Many people consider the best paragon path for the Wizard to be... the Divine Oracle. So much so that they're willing to multiclass as a Cleric to get it.You're conveniently ignoring the main point I was making. All Cleric Area spells hit ONLY enemies. They can never, ever cause friendly fire. I've only been playing my 4e wizard for a short time, but I am already running into freindly fire issues with my spells. The enormity of this advantage can't be understated. It's not until 21st level that a Wizard can finally get a feat to at least partially remove this huge disadvantage. And even then, he can only omit a number of squares equal to his wisdom modifier. Cleric prayers ignore all allies, period, no matter how many. And he doesn't have to wait until 21st level, nor does he have to spend a feat, to have this extremely potent advantage.The same can be said comparing Flaming Sphere to many other Wizard spells, even of higher level. Also, you compare alot of apples and oranges to make your points. If you want an unbiased comparison, compare Astral Storm to Meteor Swarm, the most directly comparable power, not to Necrotic Web or some other, very different spells. There's no question that Astral Storm is superior in every way to Meteor Storm. It would be like giving the Wizard a healing spell far better than a healing spell the cleric gets at the same level. It's just not right.</blockquote>

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