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<blockquote data-quote="bardolph" data-source="post: 4379160" data-attributes="member: 2304">What makes this debate problematic is that &quot;Control&quot; is far too important overall to give any one class a monopoly in this category.&nbsp; The fact that clerics have a few AoE spells that out-damage wizard AoE spells of equal level is a minor issue, when you look at the big picture.First of all, I think WotC intentionally gave classes some overlap, so that no one class becomes mandatory in all parties.&nbsp; Technically, the Wizard is the only explicit &quot;controller&quot; class, so one would think that the Wizard is a mandatory pick for all parties, right?&nbsp; Well, not exactly.&nbsp; If other classes focus on as many Area and Close attacks as they can get their hands on, they can, as a group, cover the Wizard's &quot;controller&quot; role.&nbsp; Not nearly as well as a Wizard can, but they can manage.I don't really see this as a problem.&nbsp; Bottom line is, Wizards are not dead weight.&nbsp; They are a very useful class, and they perform as advertised.&nbsp; So what if the lazer cleric can throw down a few big splashy spells?&nbsp; It doesn't render the Wizard obsolete.&nbsp; Fire Storm actually gets better when the wizard throws down Evard's Black Tentacles to hold creatures inside the fire zone, then uses Thunderwave to push people back into the slimy muck.Wizards are all about the combos.&nbsp; Their effect is more subtle, but also more effective, in the long run.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bardolph, post: 4379160, member: 2304"] What makes this debate problematic is that "Control" is far too important overall to give any one class a monopoly in this category. The fact that clerics have a few AoE spells that out-damage wizard AoE spells of equal level is a minor issue, when you look at the big picture. First of all, I think WotC intentionally gave classes some overlap, so that no one class becomes mandatory in all parties. Technically, the Wizard is the only explicit "controller" class, so one would think that the Wizard is a mandatory pick for all parties, right? Well, not exactly. If other classes focus on as many Area and Close attacks as they can get their hands on, they can, as a group, cover the Wizard's "controller" role. Not nearly as well as a Wizard can, but they can manage. I don't really see this as a problem. Bottom line is, Wizards are not dead weight. They are a very useful class, and they perform as advertised. So what if the lazer cleric can throw down a few big splashy spells? It doesn't render the Wizard obsolete. Fire Storm actually gets [i]better[/i] when the wizard throws down Evard's Black Tentacles to hold creatures inside the fire zone, then uses Thunderwave to push people back into the slimy muck. Wizards are all about the combos. Their effect is more subtle, but also more effective, in the long run. [/QUOTE]

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