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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TerraDave" data-source="post: 4466122" data-attributes="member: 22260">To pick up on what little raven said, this didn't always work out in practice. And a lot of stuff in AD&D did have specific rules. Quite a few actually. Then there were spells. Pages, and pages, and pages, and then some more pages, of spells...leading to the point of the thread. EDIT: And what do you have against viking hats?I have been debating on this, and not really deciding. I almost agree, I know of players over the years who would have benefited from slightly simpler (or a lot simpler) spellcasters, or non-spellscasters with more options...And overall I think 4E tries extra hard to balance being simple with having options...but the fact that in 3E you could make either a wizard with metamagic feats or a barbarian with a greataxe...Its hard to say. Maybe after a few more posts. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>