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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AngryPurpleCyclops" data-source="post: 4713062" data-attributes="member: 82732">Great point.  The encounter wasn't at all optimized either though.  The monsters could have had some significant tactical advantages or better terrain to fight in.  I think that this is the same problem at lower levels too.  If you have 2-3 easy (n-2 to N) level encounters at 3rd level your pc's will walk all over those as well.  I don't think the easy encounters actually test anything.  If the rogue hadn't had the magic item he had there might have been 2 pc's put down and that's not an awful encounter by any stretch.  The more I think about what you wrote the more I think Doresian is a lot of the problem(I was wondering how his defenses might make the party struggle).  Especially since one of the keys to the encounter was to have doresian run around in an area where the party was weakest and then have the 3 archons teleport to him to gang up on one pc.  This would have made it a lot harder for the party to concentrate on the ravager.  The efreets immobilizing powers would also make chasing down the ravager quite difficult.  Not a threat is too strong verbiage wise.  He wasn't a huge threat, but ultimately I think this is my fault.  Doresian is too ineffective offensively.  His one strong attack recharges way too rarely and he has no aura (the efreets auras dish out automatic damage and stack with the ongoing fire damage attacks of the archons and each other).  The pyresinger's  fiery chains attack and sheets of flame attack are a lot better than doresian and recharge a lot easier.  Couple the chains attack with some lava pits or fires and things could get nasty for the pc's.  The pyresinger doesn't have doresians defenses but it still has 233HP's and his defenses are not bad.  The ongoing 20dmg coupled with all the efreet aura's could mean 15-35 free damage on multiple pc's per round.  std encounters are too easy at every level so this can't really be used to validate the argument epic is easy.</blockquote>

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