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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 4479539" data-attributes="member: 3586"><p>Forked from: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?postid=4479483" target="_blank"> Is 4E doing it for you? </a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Forked! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A few counterpoints:</p><p>* Damage dealt by Move Object is utterly dependent on the UtF check, not the size of the object.</p><p>* Due to the way Skill Focus interacts with the power, it's possible to get very, very high UtF checks with it - at low levels, this utterly overwhelms any Will or Reflex Defense. +13 at first level is quite feasible...</p><p>* Throw one stormtrooper into another!</p><p></p><p><em>Discussion of Born Leader and Noble Talents</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And it was. But it means I have to take 2 talents so that I can give my friends (not myself) a +1 to hit. Hmm.</p><p></p><p>If Born Leader was "+1 to allies attack rolls while they're in LOS" and wasn't a 1/encounter power, I'd be ok with it. But it isn't. You've got to spend a swift action activating it and if your friends drop out of LOS even briefly then they lose the benefits for the rest of the encounter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Concealment and Cover mean nothing when someone uses Aim on you. (They ignore those penalties to hit). Fighting Defensively means <em>I</em> can't hit, and by the time you've reached a few levels, I don't think Armor Proficiency is worth it any more.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll need to get my own Saga book to look at them again. I do agree there are some good noble talents (normally at the end of long trees with wimpy first picks).</p><p></p><p><em>Lack of HP in Star Wars</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, I don't suggest that the multiclass rules in 4e can be fixed quickly. However, healing HP in Star Wars is almost impossible unless you're a Jedi or you have access to a Bacta Tank (which you really shouldn't a lot of the time), and given how deadly combat can be, it ruins an ongoing part of a military campaign.</p><p></p><p>We're currently playing through Dawn of Defiance. My PC is now a 7th level Noble (about to multiclass into Officer) with the Born Leader, Distant Command, Wealth, and Rally talents. Wealth has been fun, I must say. I've been using it entirely on trivial purposes (outfitting a spaceship with real wood panelling!) but it's definitely one of the better and more fun talents.</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 4479539, member: 3586"] Forked from: [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showpost.php?postid=4479483] Is 4E doing it for you? [/url] Forked! :) A few counterpoints: * Damage dealt by Move Object is utterly dependent on the UtF check, not the size of the object. * Due to the way Skill Focus interacts with the power, it's possible to get very, very high UtF checks with it - at low levels, this utterly overwhelms any Will or Reflex Defense. +13 at first level is quite feasible... * Throw one stormtrooper into another! [i]Discussion of Born Leader and Noble Talents[/i] And it was. But it means I have to take 2 talents so that I can give my friends (not myself) a +1 to hit. Hmm. If Born Leader was "+1 to allies attack rolls while they're in LOS" and wasn't a 1/encounter power, I'd be ok with it. But it isn't. You've got to spend a swift action activating it and if your friends drop out of LOS even briefly then they lose the benefits for the rest of the encounter. Concealment and Cover mean nothing when someone uses Aim on you. (They ignore those penalties to hit). Fighting Defensively means [i]I[/i] can't hit, and by the time you've reached a few levels, I don't think Armor Proficiency is worth it any more. I'll need to get my own Saga book to look at them again. I do agree there are some good noble talents (normally at the end of long trees with wimpy first picks). [i]Lack of HP in Star Wars[/i] Oh, I don't suggest that the multiclass rules in 4e can be fixed quickly. However, healing HP in Star Wars is almost impossible unless you're a Jedi or you have access to a Bacta Tank (which you really shouldn't a lot of the time), and given how deadly combat can be, it ruins an ongoing part of a military campaign. We're currently playing through Dawn of Defiance. My PC is now a 7th level Noble (about to multiclass into Officer) with the Born Leader, Distant Command, Wealth, and Rally talents. Wealth has been fun, I must say. I've been using it entirely on trivial purposes (outfitting a spaceship with real wood panelling!) but it's definitely one of the better and more fun talents. Cheers! [/QUOTE]
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