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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4480952" data-attributes="member: 48965">Uhmm, a few counter-counter points...1. I think you are totally mistaken about how Move Object works...the UtF check DC is determined by the size of the object.  The size of the object determines damage, page 98...to clarify a DC of 15 or higher is required to move a medium object...a medium object does 2d6 points of damage no matter how high your roll is.  Just because you roll higher doesn't make it do the damage of a Huge or Gargantuan object.  The only thing that increases damage is spending a force point.  Also remember the size of the object determines how many targets it can actually affect...A medium object can only attack one 5 foot square.2. Yes, but it is inherently limited by what objects are available.  In other words if you stage every fight with a truckload of Huge objects...you want your jedi with this power to devastate multiple enemies.  Otherwise you don't.  I mean without a force point you need to have a large size object or bigger to do more damage than a lightsaber.3.  Ok, you just did 2D6 damage to two stormtroopers,  A little better than you could have done with your lightsaber, and it hits 2 instead of one...but you have a better chance of actually killing one if you use the lightsaber.  Not seeing how this is a killer power.  Honestly Force Slam is better for taking people down.No, you're spending two feats so that you can hide...or not even enter a combat and give your allies a bonus.  I don't think a feat is that high of a cost to basically up everyone in the party and make it so that you don't have to suffer any (or minimal risk).I was just giving you the off the top of my head ways to make your character more durable, and that armor helps alot at the lower levels.  Honestly there are plenty of ways to make a more durable and combat oriented character...if you are willing to use the multi-class rules to their full extent...you even have control on how combat vs. socially adept your noble is. Because the jedi trees are just full of awesome at the lower levels...not.  Honestly look at some of the starting talents for jedi, they're very situational and aren't that power...actually I think the talents are pretty well balanced, with only a few at most that could be considered above the norm.  Merrick, honestly I get the SWSE game you played in was combat-heavy...well then it seems to reason that a straight noble will be at a disadvantage in that type of game.  Luckily SWSE gives you the tools to adjust your character quite easily to this siituation.Again, as I said before...IMO, compared to the issues I have with 4e...this is trivial.  I can easily adjust the amount of Second Winds a character has in my game to reflect the feel I want.  I don't see this as that big of an issue compared to how well it does everything else 4e doesn't do well (all IMO of course) SIDE NOTE: Also just wanted to say that honestly I think the condition track in SWSE is just an elegant and streamlined mechanic.</blockquote>

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