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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bullgrit" data-source="post: 5598368" data-attributes="member: 31216">I don’t know what their marketing survey fully revealed or what their full interpretation of it was, but…I don’t know if they were trying to fix the problem you’re assuming they think they found. Is that the same survey that showed most campaigns only lasted at most 18-24 months before dying off. (Players moved on in Real Life – school, jobs, family, etc.) I remember a designer “complaint” that with slow level advancement the players only experienced half to three-quarters of the presented game (levels 1-10 to 1-15) in the expected lifespan of a campaign.That is, many/most players never got to play up to half of what the game offered. Sort of, “What good are levels 11-20 if no one ever actually reaches them?”So maybe the problem they were trying to fix wasn’t “slow advancement” but rather “half the game is unplayed.” ?? – I’m presenting this as a question for consideration, not a statement of factual knowledge of the designers’ intents.I know in my AD&D1 games, I never experienced anything over 12th level. Anything over 8th level was extremely rare – I can think of only 2 very short campaigns (less than 4 game sessions) with PCs of name level.Maybe ironically, I’ve still never really experienced anything over 12th level, even in D&D3.Bullgrit</blockquote>