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<blockquote data-quote="covaithe" data-source="post: 4432972" data-attributes="member: 46559">This is a point that has occurred to me, yes.&nbsp; I'm not sure how best to handle it.&nbsp; Ooc points and voting rules are two of the main topics left to be decided before we can really kick this thing into gear.&nbsp; I feel pretty strongly that both are important topics to get right.&nbsp; The fact that we're running out of other things to finish working on for L4W's startup means, unfortunately, that they're being discussed at the same time.&nbsp; And, it so happens, my suggestions regarding voting rules might, if adopted, have an impact on the ooc points outcome.&nbsp;&nbsp; As it stands last time I looked in the OOC Points poll, there were three votes for awarding points to judges, and two people who voiced strong objections in comments.&nbsp; Which could be construed as three yes votes and two no votes, which, if I had my way PURELY ABOUT VOTING RULES and had never once opened my mouth about ooc points, would not pass.As Andy Dufresne says, I find this decidedly inconvenient.&nbsp; It puts me in an awkward position.&nbsp; I've pushed as hard as I'm comfortable doing against ooc points in general and for judges in particular; everyone has heard what I have to say and will make up their minds as they see fit.&nbsp; Unless something new comes up, I'm done with the topic and I'll live with the outcome.&nbsp; But I'd really like the outcome to be clear and unambiguous, and not depend on whose interpretation of the poll results gets accepted.&nbsp; I'm desperately afraid that it won't be clear, and that I'll be faced with a choice between making a fuss that, as you say, wouldn't look very good, or swallowing my process objections along with my game-design reservations to preserve a semblance of unity, creating a terrible precedent.&nbsp; So, yeah.&nbsp; There is a synergy, or conflict of interest if you prefer to call it that, between my positions on these two issues.&nbsp; What do you suggest that I do about it?&nbsp; I can't just keep quiet on the issue of voting rules; honestly that's far more important to me than ooc points.&nbsp; Nor can I really keep quiet on the subject of ooc points.&nbsp; I have opinions on the subject that I believe are justified by real concerns, and I would be doing less than my best for L4W's chances if I didn't do my best to express those opinions.&nbsp; Bottom line:&nbsp; In addition to the many other things I want, such as total recall, the power of flight, no ooc points, more free time, and the phone number of that girl with the red hair that I knew in school, I also want voting results to be clear and decisive.&nbsp; Poll results require interpretation.&nbsp; So I think we shouldn't use polls.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="covaithe, post: 4432972, member: 46559"] This is a point that has occurred to me, yes. I'm not sure how best to handle it. Ooc points and voting rules are two of the main topics left to be decided before we can really kick this thing into gear. I feel pretty strongly that both are important topics to get right. The fact that we're running out of other things to finish working on for L4W's startup means, unfortunately, that they're being discussed at the same time. And, it so happens, my suggestions regarding voting rules might, if adopted, have an impact on the ooc points outcome. As it stands last time I looked in the OOC Points poll, there were three votes for awarding points to judges, and two people who voiced strong objections in comments. Which could be construed as three yes votes and two no votes, which, if I had my way PURELY ABOUT VOTING RULES and had never once opened my mouth about ooc points, would not pass. As Andy Dufresne says, I find this decidedly inconvenient. It puts me in an awkward position. I've pushed as hard as I'm comfortable doing against ooc points in general and for judges in particular; everyone has heard what I have to say and will make up their minds as they see fit. Unless something new comes up, I'm done with the topic and I'll live with the outcome. But I'd really like the outcome to be clear and unambiguous, and not depend on whose interpretation of the poll results gets accepted. I'm desperately afraid that it won't be clear, and that I'll be faced with a choice between making a fuss that, as you say, wouldn't look very good, or swallowing my process objections along with my game-design reservations to preserve a semblance of unity, creating a terrible precedent. So, yeah. There is a synergy, or conflict of interest if you prefer to call it that, between my positions on these two issues. What do you suggest that I do about it? I can't just keep quiet on the issue of voting rules; honestly that's far more important to me than ooc points. Nor can I really keep quiet on the subject of ooc points. I have opinions on the subject that I believe are justified by real concerns, and I would be doing less than my best for L4W's chances if I didn't do my best to express those opinions. Bottom line: In addition to the many other things I want, such as total recall, the power of flight, no ooc points, more free time, and the phone number of that girl with the red hair that I knew in school, I also want voting results to be clear and decisive. Poll results require interpretation. So I think we shouldn't use polls. [/QUOTE]

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