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<blockquote data-quote="DoctorNick" data-source="post: 5593371" data-attributes="member: 84752">This is what I'm talking about when I say an opinion is wrong. All powers in 4e can be used outside of combat. All of them can have &quot;objects&quot; as targets per the DMG. Rituals also exist but they aren't the only options for out of combat spells. Not only that (and I realize I'm on thin ice with this argument but hear me out) who here that plays a previous version of D&amp;D doesn't houserule? It's a relatively minor houserule to lower (or remove) the cost of many rituals. Much more minor than a lot of the stuff I saw during the good old days.&nbsp;I realize that the fact you can houserule is sort of stormwindesque but my point isn't that the ritual system is good (it's not) just that it's telling that many of you are willing to fix issues with older systems and not with the new one.&nbsp;I was talking about salsa in direct reference to the &quot;Gamist&quot; stuff. I believe that every version of D&amp;D is just as &quot;Gamist&quot; as every other version. The gamism is the salsa. Can you prove to me otherwise?&nbsp;Also, thanks for making me talk about GNS. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/rant.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rant:" title="Rant&nbsp; &nbsp; :rant:" data-shortname=":rant:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="DoctorNick, post: 5593371, member: 84752"] This is what I'm talking about when I say an opinion is wrong. All powers in 4e can be used outside of combat. All of them can have "objects" as targets per the DMG. Rituals also exist but they aren't the only options for out of combat spells. Not only that (and I realize I'm on thin ice with this argument but hear me out) who here that plays a previous version of D&D doesn't houserule? It's a relatively minor houserule to lower (or remove) the cost of many rituals. Much more minor than a lot of the stuff I saw during the good old days. I realize that the fact you can houserule is sort of stormwindesque but my point isn't that the ritual system is good (it's not) just that it's telling that many of you are willing to fix issues with older systems and not with the new one. I was talking about salsa in direct reference to the "Gamist" stuff. I believe that every version of D&D is just as "Gamist" as every other version. The gamism is the salsa. Can you prove to me otherwise? Also, thanks for making me talk about GNS. :rant: [/QUOTE]

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