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[forked thread] What constitutes an edition war?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5593530" data-attributes="member: 6674931"><p>One interesting fact about edition war is this:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who are the people who voice a stronger opinion against a certain edition?</p><p></p><p>If we take a look around we'll see how, for example, with 4e it's mostly D&D</p><p></p><p>veterans who say this and that.</p><p></p><p>Do you see someone at the age of 16 to 20-something bitching about 4e?</p><p></p><p>Personally, I don't.</p><p></p><p>What does that prove? </p><p></p><p>"The Older the Wiser" ? <u><strong>NO</strong></u></p><p></p><p>...not necessarily anyway....</p><p></p><p>It only proves how emotional we really are about a game/hobby we like and love.</p><p></p><p>Most, if not all of us, have stronger ties with the edition we learned to play with,</p><p></p><p>when we didn't really know every monster in the MM by heart, and when every new encounter,</p><p></p><p>every beast and every twist was exciting, electrifying and thrilling.</p><p></p><p>As the years go by, new products see the face of the gaming world, and new editions come to </p><p></p><p>"update" what we love so much. Now, when this new "stuff" comes out, how objective are we really?</p><p></p><p>How capable are we of putting aside our emotions so as to judge a "change" in something that; because</p><p></p><p>we love it so much, we are incapable to see the reasons for a change... because it was "perfect" for us?</p><p></p><p>As I said above, what made it for ME, was 2nd edition, no matter what one says, </p><p></p><p>this is my "best' edition so far...</p><p></p><p>Am I capable of seeing flaws in my beloved edition? </p><p></p><p>Sure, I can see.... some. But my judgement is so suppressed by my emotions, </p><p></p><p>that I will never agree to EVERY argument.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps, deed inside me, I know better than what I actually say and write... and I probably won't admit it,</p><p></p><p>even to myself.</p><p></p><p>How can we blame some new gamer for liking, perhaps, the ONLY edition he has ever known?</p><p></p><p>Surely, I can tell you that he feels just like you feel, when one bitches about the edition, or whatever you treasure most.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps he feels the exact same way, the first players felt 30 years ago, when D&D was considered a "spawn</p><p></p><p>of the devil".</p><p> </p><p>Sounds a bit "too much"? Take a second and think about it...</p><p></p><p>My father used to tell me: "Nahhh, you kids don't know how to live!!!! Back in the days when i was young....."</p><p></p><p>We 've all heard that one!</p><p></p><p>That's to say how objective we really are, about things we like, and about all the things that come after that.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That doesn't mean that wisdom doesn't count. Of course it does, and am sure that most Vets make some very good points</p><p></p><p>when it comes to comparing yesterday to today.</p><p></p><p>As to how objective this judgement really is... is really beyond me...</p><p></p><p></p><p>I bitch about kids playing WOW, saying how stupidly they waist hours in front of their screens...</p><p></p><p>And me? Oh... I played "super wonder boy" in front of my AMSTRAD-6128... how superior am I....</p><p></p><p>ANd my father? He probably played pool at the time... or something of the sort...</p><p></p><p>And my grandfather? He probably didn't even have time to play anything...</p><p></p><p>How do I know I do "the right thing"?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, if we get down to talking about how video games have a negative effect on tabletop RPGS, </p><p></p><p>I'm certain that I will come up with some very good points. And I'm not gonna say them</p><p></p><p>because I want to "win" the argument. I'll say what I'll say because I really believe in it....</p><p></p><p>I'll talk out of experience, I'll be logical, I'll be compassionate towards the human evolution and I 'll also</p><p></p><p>be expressing my beliefs on the deterioration of the human species...</p><p></p><p>but at the same time I'll be speaking as one man born at a certain time, bearing all the faults and prejudices of the</p><p></p><p>age I was born in...</p><p></p><p>I will answer all your questions, I 'll satisfy your inquires the best way I can,</p><p></p><p>yet if you ask me: "Which part of all this is based on emotion, and which part is based on logic?"</p><p></p><p>Well, I will NEVER know the answer to that one.....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>“What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.”</p><p></p><p>Pericles</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jimlock, post: 5593530, member: 6674931"] One interesting fact about edition war is this: Who are the people who voice a stronger opinion against a certain edition? If we take a look around we'll see how, for example, with 4e it's mostly D&D veterans who say this and that. Do you see someone at the age of 16 to 20-something bitching about 4e? Personally, I don't. What does that prove? "The Older the Wiser" ? [U][B]NO[/B][/U] ...not necessarily anyway.... It only proves how emotional we really are about a game/hobby we like and love. Most, if not all of us, have stronger ties with the edition we learned to play with, when we didn't really know every monster in the MM by heart, and when every new encounter, every beast and every twist was exciting, electrifying and thrilling. As the years go by, new products see the face of the gaming world, and new editions come to "update" what we love so much. Now, when this new "stuff" comes out, how objective are we really? How capable are we of putting aside our emotions so as to judge a "change" in something that; because we love it so much, we are incapable to see the reasons for a change... because it was "perfect" for us? As I said above, what made it for ME, was 2nd edition, no matter what one says, this is my "best' edition so far... Am I capable of seeing flaws in my beloved edition? Sure, I can see.... some. But my judgement is so suppressed by my emotions, that I will never agree to EVERY argument. Perhaps, deed inside me, I know better than what I actually say and write... and I probably won't admit it, even to myself. How can we blame some new gamer for liking, perhaps, the ONLY edition he has ever known? Surely, I can tell you that he feels just like you feel, when one bitches about the edition, or whatever you treasure most. Perhaps he feels the exact same way, the first players felt 30 years ago, when D&D was considered a "spawn of the devil". Sounds a bit "too much"? Take a second and think about it... My father used to tell me: "Nahhh, you kids don't know how to live!!!! Back in the days when i was young....." We 've all heard that one! That's to say how objective we really are, about things we like, and about all the things that come after that. That doesn't mean that wisdom doesn't count. Of course it does, and am sure that most Vets make some very good points when it comes to comparing yesterday to today. As to how objective this judgement really is... is really beyond me... I bitch about kids playing WOW, saying how stupidly they waist hours in front of their screens... And me? Oh... I played "super wonder boy" in front of my AMSTRAD-6128... how superior am I.... ANd my father? He probably played pool at the time... or something of the sort... And my grandfather? He probably didn't even have time to play anything... How do I know I do "the right thing"? Sure, if we get down to talking about how video games have a negative effect on tabletop RPGS, I'm certain that I will come up with some very good points. And I'm not gonna say them because I want to "win" the argument. I'll say what I'll say because I really believe in it.... I'll talk out of experience, I'll be logical, I'll be compassionate towards the human evolution and I 'll also be expressing my beliefs on the deterioration of the human species... but at the same time I'll be speaking as one man born at a certain time, bearing all the faults and prejudices of the age I was born in... I will answer all your questions, I 'll satisfy your inquires the best way I can, yet if you ask me: "Which part of all this is based on emotion, and which part is based on logic?" Well, I will NEVER know the answer to that one..... “What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” Pericles [/QUOTE]
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