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<blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5594278" data-attributes="member: 6957">If by 'first' you mean 'most recent in a long line going back to OD&amp;D'.... Typically called 'Rule Zero' something akin has been in every edition. It has been in most games that aren't part of the D&amp;D systems as well.Not a bad thing, but far from new.Part of the gamist accusation against 4e is true, but a larger portion is a product of the manner that WotC forwarded the line, especially in the pre-release and just post-release periods.4e most certainly can be used for a more vibrant manner of game, with greater verisimilitude, but in its early days it was presented in rather the opposite manner, with a not unspoken assumption that previous games were doing it wrong.Me, I'd rather watch a good movie than play 4e. Hell, I'd rather watch a bad-but-fun movie than play 4e. And, given the number of miniatures that I have painted, I can honestly say that I'd rather watch paint dry than play 4e.... But that just means that I like painting miniatures. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> The Auld Grump</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheAuldGrump, post: 5594278, member: 6957"] If by 'first' you mean 'most recent in a long line going back to OD&D'.... Typically called 'Rule Zero' something akin has been in [i]every[/i] edition. It has been in most games that aren't part of the D&D systems as well. Not a bad thing, but [i]far[/i] from new. Part of the gamist accusation against 4e is true, but a larger portion is a product of the manner that WotC forwarded the line, especially in the pre-release and just post-release periods. 4e most certainly [i]can[/i] be used for a more vibrant manner of game, with greater verisimilitude, but in its early days it was presented in rather the opposite manner, with a [i]not[/i] unspoken assumption that previous games were doing it wrong. Me, I'd rather watch a good movie than play 4e. Hell, I'd rather watch a bad-but-fun movie than play 4e. And, given the number of miniatures that I have painted, I can honestly say that I'd rather watch paint dry than play 4e.... But that just means that I like painting miniatures. :p The Auld Grump [/QUOTE]

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