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<blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 5594625" data-attributes="member: 64209">[MENTION=61463]Redbadge[/MENTION]:&nbsp;First, I want to apologize for using the word &quot;silly&quot;. I'm glad you didn't take offense, and I want to clarify that I didn't mean YOU are silly...I was saying the position you are supporting is silly...but even then that's a loaded word.&nbsp;Untenable might be a better word.&nbsp;I think, if we were to put a poll up (which I don't want to do because it would be flamebait for sure), you would find that even ardent supporters and huge fans of 4e would not claim that it was &quot;best&quot;. Most people on these boards are able to see positives and negatives about all editions of D&amp;D and of various systems.&nbsp;Here's what the poll would look like:1. I play an edition that isn't 4e and it's clear that 4e is objectively the &quot;best&quot; edition.2. I play an edition that isn't 4e and I don't believe 4e is objectively the &quot;best&quot; edition.&nbsp;3. I play 4e and it's clear that 4e is objectively the &quot;best&quot; edition.4. I play 4e and I don't believe 4e is objectively the &quot;best&quot; edition.&nbsp;&nbsp;I suspect you wouldn't be surprised by the ratio of answers to 1. and 2. I suspect you WOULD be surprised by the answers to 3. and 4. especially if we were to make it a public poll (where people's account names are tied to their answer).&nbsp;I believe that we'd see more than 90% of the answers to 3 and 4 be #4...that even people who play 4e don't consider it objectively &quot;best&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aberzanzorax, post: 5594625, member: 64209"] [MENTION=61463]Redbadge[/MENTION]: First, I want to apologize for using the word "silly". I'm glad you didn't take offense, and I want to clarify that I didn't mean YOU are silly...I was saying the position you are supporting is silly...but even then that's a loaded word. Untenable might be a better word. I think, if we were to put a poll up (which I don't want to do because it would be flamebait for sure), you would find that even ardent supporters and huge fans of 4e would not claim that it was "best". Most people on these boards are able to see positives and negatives about all editions of D&D and of various systems. Here's what the poll would look like: 1. I play an edition that isn't 4e and it's clear that 4e is objectively the "best" edition. 2. I play an edition that isn't 4e and I don't believe 4e is objectively the "best" edition. 3. I play 4e and it's clear that 4e is objectively the "best" edition. 4. I play 4e and I don't believe 4e is objectively the "best" edition. I suspect you wouldn't be surprised by the ratio of answers to 1. and 2. I suspect you WOULD be surprised by the answers to 3. and 4. especially if we were to make it a public poll (where people's account names are tied to their answer). I believe that we'd see more than 90% of the answers to 3 and 4 be #4...that even people who play 4e don't consider it objectively "best". [/QUOTE]

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