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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5595262" data-attributes="member: 6668292"><p>This isn't intended as an insult at all, so please don't take it as such. If you or your game uses minis, then I won't enjoy it more than what I play now. Period. It's draws way, way too much immersion away from the game for me, and that kills a lot of the emotional draw and appeal away from me.</p><p></p><p>This is just my view on things. My players are similar, but not identical. And, as someone who has spent the majority of their gaming time playing 3.X, let me say that we didn't use minis in that, either.</p><p></p><p>Which means, of course, if you didn't use minis or a grid, then you might be able to change my mind. I doubt you would, considering I don't play 3.X anymore either, but a game based on it (since I had problems with 3.X). However, it was still my favorite incarnation of the game, and it's possible it could change to 4e. But from my experience with the game, it won't.</p><p></p><p>Maybe if we're in the same area we can try sometime, though. And, of course, none of my subjective views on what makes a game enjoyable are meant to be seen as applying to the masses in general.</p><p></p><p>As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>EDIT:</p><p></p><p></p><p>I should have read this first, and I apologize for speaking too quickly. However, any presence of miniatures is a deal breaker for me. As are the funny voices. I know, I'm not tolerant of it, and that may be a fault in me as a gamer, but it will draw the immersion out of the game, even if the voice is closer to what you had imagined it being.</p><p></p><p>Also, there are other problems I have with D&D's recent style of gaming, but it's not like 3.X didn't have the same or even worse problems (the Christmas Tree effect can at least be somewhat muted with inherent bonuses in 4e, but a level 6 warrior being vastly superior to level 1's NPC guards in nearly every way [if not every way] has also always greatly bugged me). Also, I'm a fan of gritty, or at least vulnerability to the mundane, and 4e seems to have moved even further away from this than 3.X did.</p><p></p><p>At any rate, I'm not trying to talk down your skill as a DM. But, if we do meet in person, I'm going to be a challenge to convince. I won't say you can't do it, though. Maybe we'll see one day <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5595262, member: 6668292"] This isn't intended as an insult at all, so please don't take it as such. If you or your game uses minis, then I won't enjoy it more than what I play now. Period. It's draws way, way too much immersion away from the game for me, and that kills a lot of the emotional draw and appeal away from me. This is just my view on things. My players are similar, but not identical. And, as someone who has spent the majority of their gaming time playing 3.X, let me say that we didn't use minis in that, either. Which means, of course, if you didn't use minis or a grid, then you might be able to change my mind. I doubt you would, considering I don't play 3.X anymore either, but a game based on it (since I had problems with 3.X). However, it was still my favorite incarnation of the game, and it's possible it could change to 4e. But from my experience with the game, it won't. Maybe if we're in the same area we can try sometime, though. And, of course, none of my subjective views on what makes a game enjoyable are meant to be seen as applying to the masses in general. As always, play what you like :) EDIT: I should have read this first, and I apologize for speaking too quickly. However, any presence of miniatures is a deal breaker for me. As are the funny voices. I know, I'm not tolerant of it, and that may be a fault in me as a gamer, but it will draw the immersion out of the game, even if the voice is closer to what you had imagined it being. Also, there are other problems I have with D&D's recent style of gaming, but it's not like 3.X didn't have the same or even worse problems (the Christmas Tree effect can at least be somewhat muted with inherent bonuses in 4e, but a level 6 warrior being vastly superior to level 1's NPC guards in nearly every way [if not every way] has also always greatly bugged me). Also, I'm a fan of gritty, or at least vulnerability to the mundane, and 4e seems to have moved even further away from this than 3.X did. At any rate, I'm not trying to talk down your skill as a DM. But, if we do meet in person, I'm going to be a challenge to convince. I won't say you can't do it, though. Maybe we'll see one day :) [/QUOTE]
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