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<blockquote data-quote="Relique du Madde" data-source="post: 5598438" data-attributes="member: 42169">You obviously missed the part later in the thread where I said that post of mine was about all the things I hated about every edition and that it contained an image of a &quot;Wall of text&quot;, &quot;Glass Ceiling&quot;, &quot;Kitchen sink.&quot;Let's go with the bellhop example using two movie posters*:<img src="http://movie-poster.allsubs.org/posters/605/The_Bell_Hop_1921_big_poster.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />&nbsp; vs&nbsp; <img src="http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTK7MprDfLq7IJ4yvOaYFU6mOA1rZCr9ChN3fR-0GLLb11crOH6&amp;t=1" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Which image said's &quot;I Carry your stuff?&quot;&nbsp; and which states &quot;Hurrr! I'm stupid! I fell down go boom&quot;?Answer:&nbsp; [spoiler]The first guy obviously carries your stuff.&nbsp; The second saids &quot;Hurrr! I stupid fell down go boom.!&quot;[/spoiler]How can that be? Image Interpretation 101: The meaning in the first image is conveyed through the representation of a Bellhop.&nbsp; The meaning in the second images is conveyed through the actor, Jerry Lewis, looking like a fool and looking inept at being a &quot;bellhop&quot;.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Bellhops are iconic, so is Jerry Lewis.&nbsp; When most people see an images of a Jerry Lewis characters they immediately think of an individual that fit these qualities: 1) &quot;Hurrr!&quot; STUPID2) A bumbling fool3) Clumsy moron4) A Beyond brain dead5) Buffoon6) Ineffectual7) Only likely to survive a given task based on luck (opposed to skill)Unfortunately, that image in the Bellboy image only reinforces those stereotypes and does not convey the notion of someone that &quot;carries your stuff.&quot;What was that , you said?&nbsp; &quot;The Bellhop is also a comedy!&quot;&nbsp; Correct you are.However, because the first movie is circa 1921, chances are that you probably don't know who the comedian Larry Semon was since he was less well known then his co-star from the same movie, Oliver Hardy.&nbsp; Luckily, the poster did spell that it the Bellhop was a comedy in little yellow text that you probably would have looked over since the focal point of that movie poster is the Bags which the bellhop is masterfully carrying (since the White text stand out).&nbsp; Unfortunately, since no one uploaded a complete video of the Bellhop on youtube or the internet archive (I'm not sure when it will be public domain since the co-writer/co-director died in 81), it's hard to know how to characterize Larry Semon's character beyond the clip that currently exists on youtube (see below) which shows him elude mobsters by climbing onto a latter dropped by a passing plane then SHOOTING it down after he was forced off that plane (by mobster who was handing onto the planes landing strut) and landing on an other plane flown by a maid from the Bellhop's hotel.&nbsp; Clearly, Larry Semon's Bellhop is cearly different from the bumbling fool Jerry Lewis played, and seems a lot more epic.&nbsp; Unlike Jerry Lewis he saids, &quot;I'll carry your stuff, break stuff that needs to be broken, and take out the badguys...&quot;&nbsp; which is appropriate for fighters.[sblock=Ending sequence from The Bellhop][ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No_8q3iuqk8[/ame][/sblock]* Let's not pay attention to how the other images in the same post showed Tome of Battle and 4e as being heroic with 1e and 2e being heroic (in a lesser degree) being compared to the &quot;Bellboy 3e&quot; and the &quot;Bellboy special edition Pathfinder.&quot;&nbsp; Let's also ignore the fact that Warriors carried the bags of Wizards in 1e and 2e as well, yet your image shows them being heroic in 1e and 2e (to a lesser degree).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Relique du Madde, post: 5598438, member: 42169"] You obviously missed the part later in the thread where I said that post of mine was about all the things I hated about every edition and that it contained an image of a "Wall of text", "Glass Ceiling", "Kitchen sink." Let's go with the bellhop example using two movie posters*: [IMG]http://movie-poster.allsubs.org/posters/605/The_Bell_Hop_1921_big_poster.jpg[/IMG] vs [IMG]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTK7MprDfLq7IJ4yvOaYFU6mOA1rZCr9ChN3fR-0GLLb11crOH6&t=1[/IMG] Which image said's "I Carry your stuff?" and which states "Hurrr! I'm stupid! I fell down go boom"? Answer: [spoiler]The first guy obviously carries your stuff. The second saids "Hurrr! I stupid fell down go boom.!"[/spoiler] How can that be? Image Interpretation 101: The meaning in the first image is conveyed through the representation of a Bellhop. The meaning in the second images is conveyed through the actor, Jerry Lewis, looking like a fool and looking inept at being a "bellhop". Why? Bellhops are iconic, so is Jerry Lewis. When most people see an images of a Jerry Lewis characters they immediately think of an individual that fit these qualities: 1) "Hurrr!" STUPID 2) A bumbling fool 3) Clumsy moron 4) A Beyond brain dead 5) Buffoon 6) Ineffectual 7) Only likely to survive a given task based on luck (opposed to skill) Unfortunately, that image in the Bellboy image only reinforces those stereotypes and does not convey the notion of someone that "carries your stuff." What was that , you said? "The Bellhop is also a comedy!" Correct you are. However, because the first movie is circa 1921, chances are that you probably don't know who the comedian Larry Semon was since he was less well known then his co-star from the same movie, Oliver Hardy. Luckily, the poster did spell that it the Bellhop was a comedy in little yellow text that you probably would have looked over since the focal point of that movie poster is the Bags which the bellhop is masterfully carrying (since the White text stand out). Unfortunately, since no one uploaded a complete video of the Bellhop on youtube or the internet archive (I'm not sure when it will be public domain since the co-writer/co-director died in 81), it's hard to know how to characterize Larry Semon's character beyond the clip that currently exists on youtube (see below) which shows him elude mobsters by climbing onto a latter dropped by a passing plane then SHOOTING it down after he was forced off that plane (by mobster who was handing onto the planes landing strut) and landing on an other plane flown by a maid from the Bellhop's hotel. Clearly, Larry Semon's Bellhop is cearly different from the bumbling fool Jerry Lewis played, and seems a lot more epic. Unlike Jerry Lewis he saids, "I'll carry your stuff, break stuff that needs to be broken, and take out the badguys..." which is appropriate for fighters. [sblock=Ending sequence from The Bellhop] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No_8q3iuqk8[/ame] [/sblock] * Let's not pay attention to how the other images in the same post showed Tome of Battle and 4e as being heroic with 1e and 2e being heroic (in a lesser degree) being compared to the "Bellboy 3e" and the "Bellboy special edition Pathfinder." Let's also ignore the fact that Warriors carried the bags of Wizards in 1e and 2e as well, yet your image shows them being heroic in 1e and 2e (to a lesser degree). [/QUOTE]

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