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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ryryguy" data-source="post: 4849983" data-attributes="member: 64945">Perhaps you are focusing on number of errors when you should be focusing on error rate?4e's design is very modular.  Expansions and additions largely take the form of adding new modules - lots of new modules.  Every new class has what amounts to a full spell list.  The modules also tend to be relatively compact.  Not that I'm doing an actual comparison here, but the additional weapon properties in AV alone - how does the quantity of them compare to the number of magic weapons across all 3e supplements?  With so many modules, even if the error rate is very low, the absolute number of them is going to go up.  I guess whether the error rate is acceptably low is a bit of a judgement call.  But definitely, pay attention to the rate and not the total.A plus side of the modular design is that it's pretty easy to correct the errors you perceive because they are local to a particular module.  Change (or ban) that module.  Almost all of the specific problems you've listed fall into this category: issues with specific powers or weapon properties.  To me, these really are like fixing bugs not changing the source code, to use your metaphor.(Side note: generally speaking you do have to change the source code to fix a bug.  Maybe the analogy you're looking for is changing the operating system? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)Systemic problems would be more like, "defenders don't work, it's not a fun role to play and/or they don't work as advertised."  Or, "I can't properly balance an encounter."  Among the problems you've mentioned that I see falling into this category are maybe the V-shaped class thing, and the expertise feats.  There are undoubtedly some others - issues with solos, the original skill challenge system.Here, the questions are - how much damage do they actually do in play?  and, since you're very focused on what WotC is doing, it seems - is WotC addressing the existing ones?  Are more of them being introduced?Again, it's subjective territory.  My takes: they don't hurt the play experience all that much, maybe a little at the margins.  WotC has done some good in addressing them, but could do better.  And I don't see WotC introducing new systemic mistakes as they move forward.</blockquote>

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