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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 4366770" data-attributes="member: 2205">A one sentence statement is not "addressing" the question.  It's a "just so" story.  It's the exact equivalent of "Nuh-uh" like I said earlier.In any case, it's hardly my job.  I'm not trying to prove anything.  You're the one who challenged my claim and haven't yet put forward anything of substance to refute it.  And now it seems despite forking the thread, you don't really care to discuss it after all.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />  Let's try this another way.  Beowulf and The Hobbit.  I say there's a big difference between them; one is prefantasy and one is modern fantasy.  Presumably, you say that they are the same since your contention is that there's no difference between them (again, I have to presume.  You've given so little indication of what you believe or why that I'm flying blind here trying to engage you in some fruitful discussion, which you seem to be steadfastly avoiding.)For similarities, I see warriors with swords and a dragon.  For differences, I see completely different tone, theme, style, mode, characterization, plot structure (and complexity) and (although I admit external factors are not as important, they're still interesting) authorial intent and audience expectation.How you can claim that such fundamentally different works belong to the same genre when all they share are a few superficial similarities is beyond me.  Perhaps if you explained that, we could get somewhere.Granted, I purposefully picked two examples that were a bit farther apart than other examples I could have picked.  You could counter by asking me whether I placed William Morris within the fantasy genre as it's known today or "prefantasy" as I call it, and I'd have to admit that I don't know for sure.  But the fact that there are "muddy" issues that are difficult to place doesn't invalidate the genre goalposts.  Genre definitions are like Platonic ideals and you compare works to them to see how well they fit rather than being proscriptive definitions that you have to cram works into.</blockquote>

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