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<blockquote data-quote="WayneLigon" data-source="post: 4371890" data-attributes="member: 3649"><p>The stuff Hobo mentioned is the main stuff. You'll find some 'quasi-fantasy' stuff now and again, or metaphoric fairy-tale stuff. One major movement you'll see is 'Dark Fantasy', which is kind of this offshoot of horror. Lovecraft and his proteges used that a lot when they were not writing out-and-out horror. Most of Lovecraft's Dreamlands tales usually fall into that category.</p><p></p><p>William Hope Hodgson: <em>Night Land</em>, in 1912 is a combination of science fiction and horror but so weird and dreamlike that you could certainly call it fantasy and not far miss the mark.</p><p></p><p>ER Eddison (the Worm Ouroboros) in 1922 and Peake's Gormenghast trilogy (where you can see his health decline as he writes) are two of the bigger names from the period as well.</p><p></p><p>Tolkien really doesn't take hold in the US until the mid to late Sixties when the college kids discover him. That's when you start getting 'Frodo Lives!' painted on subway cars and stuff. That, in turn, fuels publishers to say 'Tolkien sold this way - make everything exactly like this'. It's not so much writers aping him (though there certainly are some) as writing what publishers will buy, and publishers want a fat three-book epic-fantasty series.</p><p></p><p>You also get some throwbacks to Conan, the only thing resembling Tolkien that sold well up to that point (though we're still talking the edited/revised/rewritten by L. Sprague de Camp Conan, mostly). Brak, Thongor, and about a half-dozen others. Probably one of the last Conan-inspired heroes is Niall of the Far Travels, done by Gardner Fox for early issues of The Dragon. (Most people remember Gardner Fox asociated with the Silver Age Flash or inventing the Batarang, but he did tons of other stuff). </p><p></p><p>Lin Carter, whatever his other sins are, does edit the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballantine_Adult_Fantasy_series" target="_blank">Adult Fantasy imprint </a>that brings to light many older fantasy works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WayneLigon, post: 4371890, member: 3649"] The stuff Hobo mentioned is the main stuff. You'll find some 'quasi-fantasy' stuff now and again, or metaphoric fairy-tale stuff. One major movement you'll see is 'Dark Fantasy', which is kind of this offshoot of horror. Lovecraft and his proteges used that a lot when they were not writing out-and-out horror. Most of Lovecraft's Dreamlands tales usually fall into that category. William Hope Hodgson: [I]Night Land[/I], in 1912 is a combination of science fiction and horror but so weird and dreamlike that you could certainly call it fantasy and not far miss the mark. ER Eddison (the Worm Ouroboros) in 1922 and Peake's Gormenghast trilogy (where you can see his health decline as he writes) are two of the bigger names from the period as well. Tolkien really doesn't take hold in the US until the mid to late Sixties when the college kids discover him. That's when you start getting 'Frodo Lives!' painted on subway cars and stuff. That, in turn, fuels publishers to say 'Tolkien sold this way - make everything exactly like this'. It's not so much writers aping him (though there certainly are some) as writing what publishers will buy, and publishers want a fat three-book epic-fantasty series. You also get some throwbacks to Conan, the only thing resembling Tolkien that sold well up to that point (though we're still talking the edited/revised/rewritten by L. Sprague de Camp Conan, mostly). Brak, Thongor, and about a half-dozen others. Probably one of the last Conan-inspired heroes is Niall of the Far Travels, done by Gardner Fox for early issues of The Dragon. (Most people remember Gardner Fox asociated with the Silver Age Flash or inventing the Batarang, but he did tons of other stuff). Lin Carter, whatever his other sins are, does edit the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballantine_Adult_Fantasy_series"]Adult Fantasy imprint [/URL]that brings to light many older fantasy works. [/QUOTE]
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