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<blockquote data-quote="Turtlejay" data-source="post: 4489425" data-attributes="member: 70267">What I don't get is how come it needs to be THAT difficult to be difficult.&nbsp; Interestingly this past Saturday I ran a game, 5 second level players showed up and I had a tough encounter planned, 6 Hobgoblin minions, 3 Archers and a 5th level Hobgoblin warlord NPC.&nbsp; Total XP for that fight was about 900, yet it was tough.&nbsp; The fighter, wizard, and rogue all went down at some point and it felt tooth and nail to the players.&nbsp; TPK was uttered once or twice.From my end I saw they had it in the bag (in fact, much of their pain came from the Warlord critting with his flaming warhammer on the rogue and him failing all his saving throws to end the ongoing fire damage for a good 5 or six rounds.&nbsp; he burned while he bled out, even).&nbsp; Tough fights are FUN for both sides but I do not see how your players could even attempt something THAT hard.Jay</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Turtlejay, post: 4489425, member: 70267"] What I don't get is how come it needs to be THAT difficult to be difficult. Interestingly this past Saturday I ran a game, 5 second level players showed up and I had a tough encounter planned, 6 Hobgoblin minions, 3 Archers and a 5th level Hobgoblin warlord NPC. Total XP for that fight was about 900, yet it was tough. The fighter, wizard, and rogue all went down at some point and it felt tooth and nail to the players. TPK was uttered once or twice. From my end I saw they had it in the bag (in fact, much of their pain came from the Warlord critting with his flaming warhammer on the rogue and him failing all his saving throws to end the ongoing fire damage for a good 5 or six rounds. he burned while he bled out, even). Tough fights are FUN for both sides but I do not see how your players could even attempt something THAT hard. Jay [/QUOTE]

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