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<blockquote data-quote="nonsi256" data-source="post: 5051640" data-attributes="member: 86164"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Pardon me, “Mr. Civilized”, but how exactly does</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> The level of the spell otherwise doesn't matter</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> since the cost of a +1 enhancement doesn't</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> depend on spell level.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Coexists with</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> I <strong>proved</strong> you were incorrect by <strong>mentioning</strong> that</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> the DMG provides spells required for its magic items.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(noticed the bold text?)</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> There are only 2 tables regarding item creation, not 11.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Then, by your claim, the authors are just throwing sand in the readers’ eyes.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">And those are the rules you so <strong>fiercely</strong> defend (god only knows why).</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Very nice.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> Mithril and Alchemical silver have lists too,</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> not just adamantite.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">1. And Cold Iron, and... ?!</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2. Such info, assuming it all really does exist, should pop up wih ease. I don’t want to ache my eyes looking for it.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> Where a +1 to +5 is a difference in price</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> of 48,000gp, or 25X increase.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">And this makes sense, because........?</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> You're wrong about this point too.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Regarding what and in what way?</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> Magic item creation no longer has a chance</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> of failure because the game isn't about making</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> items, its about adventuring.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">You really don’t see the internal contradiction in there, do you?</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> The game designers didn't want the game bogged</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> down by a bad roll of the dice. Make the item,</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> move on to the fun stuff, rather than having an</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> entire table of people waiting on a caster to get</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">>> a good roll.</span></span></p><p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">And knocking on the caster’s door, which has to burn XP for every stick-in-the-mud who thinks s/he deserves it is not time consuming?!</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nonsi256, post: 5051640, member: 86164"] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Pardon me, “Mr. Civilized”, but how exactly does[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> The level of the spell otherwise doesn't matter[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> since the cost of a +1 enhancement doesn't[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> depend on spell level.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Coexists with[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> I [B]proved[/B] you were incorrect by [B]mentioning[/B] that[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> the DMG provides spells required for its magic items.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2](noticed the bold text?)[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] >> There are only 2 tables regarding item creation, not 11.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Then, by your claim, the authors are just throwing sand in the readers’ eyes.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]And those are the rules you so [B]fiercely[/B] defend (god only knows why).[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Very nice.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] >> Mithril and Alchemical silver have lists too,[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> not just adamantite.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]1. And Cold Iron, and... ?![/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]2. Such info, assuming it all really does exist, should pop up wih ease. I don’t want to ache my eyes looking for it.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] >> Where a +1 to +5 is a difference in price[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> of 48,000gp, or 25X increase.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]And this makes sense, because........?[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] >> You're wrong about this point too.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Regarding what and in what way?[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] >> Magic item creation no longer has a chance[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> of failure because the game isn't about making[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> items, its about adventuring.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]You really don’t see the internal contradiction in there, do you?[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> The game designers didn't want the game bogged[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> down by a bad roll of the dice. Make the item,[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> move on to the fun stuff, rather than having an[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> entire table of people waiting on a caster to get[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]>> a good roll.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]And knocking on the caster’s door, which has to burn XP for every stick-in-the-mud who thinks s/he deserves it is not time consuming?! [/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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