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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 372926" data-attributes="member: 2525">The answer is unclear.&nbsp; The ability description says the weapon functions as if it were a natural weapon for overcoming damage reduction.&nbsp;&nbsp; The natural weapon entry says the weapon counts as a type that ignores its own innate damage reduction, but not for spells (which are transient) such as stoneskin's damage reduction.&nbsp; Forsaker damage reduction is an ability, not necessarily innate.&nbsp; Innate abilities are generally those that are determined by factors present in an individual from birth (like natural weapons), and not transient things that are learned from experience or which are turned on and off.&nbsp; The Forsaker ability, however, does not come from birth, but is a learned ability with experience, that turns on and off based on his actions or inactions.&nbsp; The Forsaker's ability, thertefore, does not function exactly like a natural weapon for purposes of overcoming damage reduction (hence the modifier as if in the ability description). I really do not think it is clear that the Forsaker's damage reduction must be active for this ability to be active.&nbsp; The Forsaker has the ability, at all times, to trigger the damage reduction (by destroying magic).&nbsp; Therefore, you could argue the ability functions as if it were an innate and always present (though perhaps passive at the moment) damage reduction and therefore the ability to overcome damage reduction as if the Forsaker had a natural weapon is always on.&nbsp; I think this is a good case for sage advice, personally.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 372926, member: 2525"] The answer is unclear. The ability description says the weapon functions [i]as if[/i] it were a natural weapon for overcoming damage reduction. The natural weapon entry says the weapon counts as a type that ignores its own [i]innate[/i] damage reduction, but not for spells (which are transient) such as stoneskin's damage reduction. Forsaker damage reduction is an ability, not necessarily innate. Innate abilities are generally those that are determined by factors present in an individual from birth (like natural weapons), and not transient things that are learned from experience or which are turned on and off. The Forsaker ability, however, does not come from birth, but is a learned ability with experience, that turns on and off based on his actions or inactions. The Forsaker's ability, thertefore, does not function exactly like a natural weapon for purposes of overcoming damage reduction (hence the modifier [i]as if[/i] in the ability description). I really do not think it is clear that the Forsaker's damage reduction must be active for this ability to be active. The Forsaker has the ability, at all times, to trigger the damage reduction (by destroying magic). Therefore, you could argue the ability functions [i]as if[/i] it were an innate and always present (though perhaps passive at the moment) damage reduction and therefore the ability to overcome damage reduction as if the Forsaker had a natural weapon is always on. I think this is a good case for sage advice, personally. [/QUOTE]

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