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Message: <blockquote data-quote="John Crichton" data-source="post: 3643119" data-attributes="member: 4779">I'll admit that "largely irrelevant" may not have been the best choice of two words.  I want the "picked up a Wii almost on a whim" struck from the record.  The console isn't on the shelves long enough for an impulse buy.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I agree that it is too much for the mass market right now.  This is not in dispute.  Does a price point of $500 and a crummy selection of games make that any better right now for the non-hardcore demo?  Sure, it's a step in the right direction down the line but it's not as important as giving people who are gamers and current PS2 owners looking for the next big thing a reason to make the jump.I'll believe the Premium @ $300 price point when I see it.  That happens, expect to see the PS3 follow right behind.  Either way, both companies are still losing money and at the very least the PS3 is a very reliable piece of equipment.  I cross my fingers every time I turn my 360 on that it will survive a 3-4 hour gaming session.Who says they are losing them?  You are forgetting about the PS2 versions of the mutli-console games, especially the ones from EA.  GTA is a big one, for sure.  We'll see how the numbers pan out by that time for install base.  I still expect the PS3 to be lagging behind at that point, but we'll see by how much.Obviously.  C'mon, let's stay within the confines of conversation here.I am completely aware of how companies make money and aware of what will sell and how it will sell.  This isn't just a battle between the PS3 and the 360.  The 360 is still competing with the PS2, as well.  Microsoft has a lead right now.  They launched earlier.  With an inferior machine that breaks at an alarming rate and a plan that included multiple SKUs that can be misleading to the people looking to drop money on a higher end machine that has limited genre selection.  The 360 is caught in the middle of truly being a next-gen machine and last generation technology.  Why release a model with HDMI and a HD-DVD drive peripheral at all.They have an excellent online model but then again, there is more money to shell out just to play games on it.There is not nearly enough sample size of either console or this generation to even think this is the case at this point.The bottom line is that for people actually looking for a next generation machine there is only one out there right now and it will only get more games and cheaper.  It will be interesting to see how the 360 will do once the PS3 actually starts being competitive.</blockquote>

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