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<blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 7826053" data-attributes="member: 6687260">The thing about removing dump stats is...Why do you want to do it?There's several problems that can result so it's important to make sure it's worth the trouble.One.&nbsp; Pcs generally need to dump something.&nbsp; It's more important to raise your best score than it is to raise your lowest - hence dump stats.&nbsp; You don't gain much by simply making that necessity more painful.&nbsp; It's not like players have an awful lot of choice about what their best stats are - they're basically dictated by class - everything else is secondary.You don't get dumb fighters because intelligence doesn't do enough.&nbsp; You get dumb fighters because they have to be strong, fast and tough.&nbsp; Just about every point buy system has the same problem because the pie still needs to be carved up the same way.&nbsp; (And rolling stats can only avoid this if you strictly roll them in order - or someone rolls exceptionally well).If you make dumping stats so painful that people end up reducing their prime stats to avoid it then you end up with a range of ability scores which are within 1 or 2 points of each other.&nbsp; Given that means 5-10% on a D20 it becomes worth asking what the point of ability scores is in this case? - as they don't particularly serve to differentiate characters.&nbsp; (You could then just go all the way and give everyone the same flat bonus.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Don Durito, post: 7826053, member: 6687260"] The thing about removing dump stats is... Why do you want to do it? There's several problems that can result so it's important to make sure it's worth the trouble. One. Pcs generally need to dump something. It's more important to raise your best score than it is to raise your lowest - hence dump stats. You don't gain much by simply making that necessity [I]more[/I] painful. It's not like players have an awful lot of choice about what their best stats are - they're basically dictated by class - everything else is secondary. You don't get dumb fighters because intelligence doesn't do enough. You get dumb fighters because they have to be strong, fast and tough. Just about every point buy system has the same problem because the pie still needs to be carved up the same way. (And rolling stats can only avoid this if you strictly roll them in order - or someone rolls exceptionally well). If you make dumping stats so painful that people end up reducing their prime stats to avoid it then you end up with a range of ability scores which are within 1 or 2 points of each other. Given that means 5-10% on a D20 it becomes worth asking what the point of ability scores is in this case? - as they don't particularly serve to differentiate characters. (You could then just go all the way and give everyone the same flat bonus.) [/QUOTE]

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