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<blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 7826863" data-attributes="member: 6687260"><p>I wouldn't say 'good'. But better yes. By having none you at least destroy the notion of the 'face' character. (This has become a larger issue in 5E - in 4E training in diplomacy was at least worth +5 - but in 5E if you don't have a good Charisma your often just better keeping your mouth shut for fear of making situations worse - especially if you don't have access to expertise).</p><p></p><p>Even if you just had intelligence and wisdom - then you have at least two distinct styles on the table - you can empathise or you can reason - different characters can contribute in different ways. You can catch an NPC in a lie by the logical consistencies that they utter - or by the way their nervous body language betrays them.</p><p>It still feels inadequate - but at least it's a bit wider.</p><p></p><p>But really the whole notion of how social skills work needs a rethink. D&D's ability scores were never designed for the purposes they are now used for and can't carry the weight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Don Durito, post: 7826863, member: 6687260"] I wouldn't say 'good'. But better yes. By having none you at least destroy the notion of the 'face' character. (This has become a larger issue in 5E - in 4E training in diplomacy was at least worth +5 - but in 5E if you don't have a good Charisma your often just better keeping your mouth shut for fear of making situations worse - especially if you don't have access to expertise). Even if you just had intelligence and wisdom - then you have at least two distinct styles on the table - you can empathise or you can reason - different characters can contribute in different ways. You can catch an NPC in a lie by the logical consistencies that they utter - or by the way their nervous body language betrays them. It still feels inadequate - but at least it's a bit wider. But really the whole notion of how social skills work needs a rethink. D&D's ability scores were never designed for the purposes they are now used for and can't carry the weight. [/QUOTE]
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