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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4109268" data-attributes="member: 51325">Hmm?I know my complaint has always been the random nature of Save or Die (the Bodak's Death Gaze) and the relatively painful nature of Energy Drain compared to monsters themselves (there's something inherently wrong that 20th level PCs would run screaming away from a wight yet have no fear of taking on a Dragon),Personally, I see the 4E rules like this and the Bodak it akin to the switch from the TABLE nature of attack bonuses in 1E, to the introduction of THACO in 2E, to the change to BAB in 3e.3E's BAB is basically THACO which is basically the 1E attack bonus Table. So technically, you could play with either one and get the same effect but really, which one would YOU prefer using?It's the same thing here. I as a player and as a DM if having to choose between the 4E version of Save or Die and Energy Drain and the pre 4E version, I'll take the 4E version EVERY TIME.</blockquote>