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<blockquote data-quote="Simplicity" data-source="post: 4267180" data-attributes="member: 1496">I agree 100%.I bought pretty much all of the 3e and 3.5e books.&nbsp; Because I'm a D&amp;D collector at heart.&nbsp; But I virtually never played with anything beyond the core rules.&nbsp; The PHBII was such a good book, that I eventually added that to my list of &quot;core&quot; as well, but it wasn't immediate.4th edition compared to the 3.5 core feels extremely bare bones.&nbsp; It's not that 4e is badly done or incomplete.&nbsp; There's just so many obvious places for more choices and more detail.&nbsp; Compare the 3.5e wizard's spell choices at every level to any particular class's power choices.&nbsp; Of course, every class now has choices similar to those wizard choices.&nbsp; That's a good thing.&nbsp; Artifacts... pretty sparse.&nbsp; The 3.5 books spent a lot of time on those puppies.&nbsp; There are some serious classical artifacts not mentioned.&nbsp; No Rod of Seven Parts?&nbsp; Please let this mean that they're doing this as an adventure...Traps.&nbsp; Not a lot of them.Paragon Paths...&nbsp; Making them per class is what really makes these seem so bare.&nbsp; If they'd just said: here.&nbsp; Have 32 prestige classes, we'd be rather impressed.&nbsp; But 4 paragon paths per class doesn't seem like much because we're myopic.&nbsp; Epic destinies are a ridiculously small set.&nbsp; Which is fine by me.&nbsp; My players never get that high level anyways.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Simplicity, post: 4267180, member: 1496"] I agree 100%. I bought pretty much all of the 3e and 3.5e books. Because I'm a D&D collector at heart. But I virtually never played with anything beyond the core rules. The PHBII was such a good book, that I eventually added that to my list of "core" as well, but it wasn't immediate. 4th edition compared to the 3.5 core feels extremely bare bones. It's not that 4e is badly done or incomplete. There's just so many obvious places for more choices and more detail. Compare the 3.5e wizard's spell choices at every level to any particular class's power choices. Of course, every class now has choices similar to those wizard choices. That's a good thing. Artifacts... pretty sparse. The 3.5 books spent a lot of time on those puppies. There are some serious classical artifacts not mentioned. No Rod of Seven Parts? Please let this mean that they're doing this as an adventure... Traps. Not a lot of them. Paragon Paths... Making them per class is what really makes these seem so bare. If they'd just said: here. Have 32 prestige classes, we'd be rather impressed. But 4 paragon paths per class doesn't seem like much because we're myopic. Epic destinies are a ridiculously small set. Which is fine by me. My players never get that high level anyways. [/QUOTE]

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