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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4267840" data-attributes="member: 5202">I think the wrong set of core books are being compared.&nbsp; Compare the 3E (not 3.5) with 4E.&nbsp; If 4E does an eventual 4.5 release, compare those.&nbsp; Yes we're down a couple of races (the least played it appears) and have 3 new in their place.&nbsp; We're down 4 classes (Bard, Monk, Barbarian, Sorceror) and Warlord got added into the mix.&nbsp; Of course, the Gnome is in the MM and they and another 15 races are given the quick and dirty PC treatment in the last pages.&nbsp; Most of these races were at LEAST +1 LAs in 3E, if not several like the Minotaur.&nbsp; Magic items are very different yes, but they also stated up front that the insane stat boosting of 3E from MIs was going the way of the dodo.&nbsp; GOOD!&nbsp; Comments about the 1E DMG being more awe inspiring for magic items, sure.&nbsp; Then again, we're talking at least 20 years ago and likely most people's first game.&nbsp; You can't put your original sense of wonder in a system into a bottle to release again w/every new edition.Enough changes in race/class options, plus the boatload of new things each class can do....it's made me interested in D&amp;D again.&nbsp; If I ever play anything based on 3E again it will most likely be something non fantasy like M&amp;M or Arcana Evolved/Ptolus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 4267840, member: 5202"] I think the wrong set of core books are being compared. Compare the 3E (not 3.5) with 4E. If 4E does an eventual 4.5 release, compare those. Yes we're down a couple of races (the least played it appears) and have 3 new in their place. We're down 4 classes (Bard, Monk, Barbarian, Sorceror) and Warlord got added into the mix. Of course, the Gnome is in the MM and they and another 15 races are given the quick and dirty PC treatment in the last pages. Most of these races were at LEAST +1 LAs in 3E, if not several like the Minotaur. Magic items are very different yes, but they also stated up front that the insane stat boosting of 3E from MIs was going the way of the dodo. GOOD! Comments about the 1E DMG being more awe inspiring for magic items, sure. Then again, we're talking at least 20 years ago and likely most people's first game. You can't put your original sense of wonder in a system into a bottle to release again w/every new edition. Enough changes in race/class options, plus the boatload of new things each class can do....it's made me interested in D&D again. If I ever play anything based on 3E again it will most likely be something non fantasy like M&M or Arcana Evolved/Ptolus. [/QUOTE]

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