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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 4270591" data-attributes="member: 29398">True, but that still doesn't mean the players can use the DMG like a catalogue.&nbsp; It's up to the DM to determine what is for sale in any given place, and when it comes to making items the player decides what she wants the item to do and the DM goes through the math and comes up with a cost.One of 3e's biggest mistakes, pure and simple.Why are your players limiting themselves to what's in the DMG?&nbsp; Were I a player in such a game, I'd rather say &quot;Mr. DM, I'm going to build a +3 sword that shoots lightning bolts&quot; without care as to whether such a thing exists in the DMG, and have you as DM tell me what it's gonna cost and how long it's gonna take, or whether it can be built at all.We-ell, as I've now got something like 24 years experience at running sessions, it sounds like the 4E DMG won't tell me very much I haven't already learned the hard way.&nbsp; That said, I can't say the 3E DMG told me much about world-building; the 1E one was better. (the 2E one was probably better yet but I haven't looked at that one in 10+ years...)Lanefan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 4270591, member: 29398"] True, but that still doesn't mean the players can use the DMG like a catalogue. It's up to the DM to determine what is for sale in any given place, and when it comes to making items the player decides what she wants the item to do and the DM goes through the math and comes up with a cost. One of 3e's biggest mistakes, pure and simple. Why are your players limiting themselves to what's in the DMG? Were I a player in such a game, I'd rather say "Mr. DM, I'm going to build a +3 sword that shoots lightning bolts" without care as to whether such a thing exists in the DMG, and have you as DM tell me what it's gonna cost and how long it's gonna take, or whether it can be built at all. We-ell, as I've now got something like 24 years experience at running sessions, it sounds like the 4E DMG won't tell me very much I haven't already learned the hard way. That said, I can't say the 3E DMG told me much about world-building; the 1E one was better. (the 2E one was probably better yet but I haven't looked at that one in 10+ years...) Lanefan [/QUOTE]

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