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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4270891" data-attributes="member: 710">But then, let's think about it. What kind of options did, say... a Barbarian have? Or a Rogue? Using only the core rules.Maybe the &quot;error&quot; in 4E is that the builds and &quot;sub-classes&quot; are mentioned explicitly. So, instead of just playing a Warlock and seeing where that leads you, you're looking at a Fey Pact Warlock or an Archery Ranger. That's like saying a Barbarian aiming for Whirlwind Attack is limited in his options. It's true, because you already chosen your path. Off course, I would welcome still welcome more options, in the end. Getting that might cost me some time and money, but my hope is that 4E supplements will provide &quot;more bang for their buck&quot;. 3E supplements were usually nice, but contained barely enough material to feel justified. Usually it were 1-3 classes, feats or spells in each book that might be worth it, while the rest got mostly ignored. The PHB 2 was the first book that seemed to provide a lot more useful material (at least from a Fighter's perspective - it was better then Sword &amp; First or Complete Warrior)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4270891, member: 710"] But then, let's think about it. What kind of options did, say... a Barbarian have? Or a Rogue? Using only the core rules. Maybe the "error" in 4E is that the builds and "sub-classes" are mentioned explicitly. So, instead of just playing a Warlock and seeing where that leads you, you're looking at a Fey Pact Warlock or an Archery Ranger. That's like saying a Barbarian aiming for Whirlwind Attack is limited in his options. It's true, because you already chosen your path. Off course, I would welcome still welcome more options, in the end. Getting that might cost me some time and money, but my hope is that 4E supplements will provide "more bang for their buck". 3E supplements were usually nice, but contained barely enough material to feel justified. Usually it were 1-3 classes, feats or spells in each book that might be worth it, while the rest got mostly ignored. The PHB 2 was the first book that seemed to provide a lot more useful material (at least from a Fighter's perspective - it was better then Sword & First or Complete Warrior) [/QUOTE]

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