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<blockquote data-quote="darkbard" data-source="post: 7317097" data-attributes="member: 1282">I don't disagree with this in the least. Nevertheless, it does present a model of how an Epic DS campaign would likely play out, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's just that in its arc it seeds its own demise, at least with regard to using the setting again for a new campaign set after the events of such events.Isn't that, though (and I'm asking as someone who has never played Epic tier), the fallout of any successful 1 - 30 campaign arc? The Epic heroes have fundamentally impacted the world/its planar set up/etc. in such a way that the very basic premises of play at the beginning no longer hold true?I can see a DS Epic campaign culminating in the overthrow of all or most of the SKs and the defeat of the Dragon and the introduction of healing to the world of Athas. And any subsequent campaigns set therein would be tremendously different than that first campaign. But that need not definitively remove the setting from the S&amp;S tropes. If gods are reintroduced, there might be battling factions between evil cults and overzealous self-righteous sects for political power. Perhaps the death of the Dragon brings about a rebirth of chromatic dragons (of standard D&amp;D fare) who seek to set themselves up as new tyrants. In the face of revitalized land, there are petty despots setting up shop across the landscape and seeking to monopolize the new agriculture. Etc. None of these new plotlines would be inapprpropriate to the genre....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="darkbard, post: 7317097, member: 1282"] I don't disagree with this in the least. Nevertheless, it does present a model of how an Epic DS campaign would likely play out, and there's nothing inherently [I]wrong[/I] with that. It's just that in its arc it seeds its own demise, at least with regard to using the setting again for a new campaign set after the events of such events. Isn't that, though (and I'm asking as someone who has never played Epic tier), the fallout of any successful 1 - 30 campaign arc? The Epic heroes have fundamentally impacted the world/its planar set up/etc. in such a way that the very basic premises of play at the beginning no longer hold true? I can see a DS Epic campaign culminating in the overthrow of all or most of the SKs and the defeat of the Dragon and the introduction of healing to the world of Athas. And any subsequent campaigns set therein would be tremendously different than that first campaign. But that need not definitively remove the setting from the S&S tropes. If gods are reintroduced, there might be battling factions between evil cults and overzealous self-righteous sects for political power. Perhaps the death of the Dragon brings about a rebirth of chromatic dragons (of standard D&D fare) who seek to set themselves up as new tyrants. In the face of revitalized land, there are petty despots setting up shop across the landscape and seeking to monopolize the new agriculture. Etc. None of these new plotlines would be inapprpropriate to the genre.... [/QUOTE]

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