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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mithreander" data-source="post: 1191931" data-attributes="member: 13791">Those nice abilities (Just to add my two cents, and can be ignored hereafter), could be acomplished by Scry (with a -10 to our will saves due to them, possibably have a hair from each of us, or something, or even as high as -15 if they had marked us in someway that makes us very familiar, such as branding us with an invisable symbol.), which is only a 3rd level bard spell, or 4th level mage spell, or can be accomplished witha magic item besides.Besides, according to the SRD's <a href="http://geocities.com/sovelior/srd/improvingMonsters.html" target="_blank">Improving Monsters</a> page, that ability would only add +2 CR to that specific creature. Vampires add +2 CR for that template, then their type is concidered abnormal humanoids, or monstoruous humanoids, which means that their CR goes up +1 for every two levels or hit-dice that they go up, according to that page I referenced, so I ccan easily see them as having the abilities that they had and stay under or at the CR 10 that Matt had said they where.Just my two cents worth.</blockquote>