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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iron_Chef" data-source="post: 941898" data-attributes="member: 4530">[PLAIN]Re: Re: [FR/CotSQ Spoilers] Bane and Vhaerun alliance?[/PLAIN]Isn't that the hard road? The type of typically short-sighted, stupid Chaotic Evil "Screw You Guys; I'm Going Home!" Cartman approach to (un)life? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Personally, my specific situation notwithstanding, I find Orcus even harder to understand or sympathize with now than back in the 1e days when he was just a statblock and a couple paragraphs, mostly related to how he could kick your ass. He hates all life, okay, but he hates the undead, too? He hates himself and hates everyone and everything. This guy is no fun at all, especially if he ever gets into a position where he can start killing deities again, LOL. Seems like a dude with a major poor attitude like that and chip on his shoulder needs to be bitch-slapped on a cosmic scale. Orcus is basically a demonic serial killer with no rhyme or reason to him at all. The only thing he wants is everyone and everything else dead (presumably, even himself in the end). Juiblex wants to "consume/absorb" everything, but that's more reasonable, LOL. You know you're in trouble when Juiblex starts making sense, even on a comparative level. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  There is no point at all to the new version of Orcus that I can fathom. He sounds like a jerk. Other demon princes make some sort of sense and have more easily understandable/sympathetic goals, but Orcus has none, making him a colossal black hole reminiscent of GH's Tharizdun. What's the point of dealing with him at all? He's making himself largely irrelevant. There are other death/undeath deities and fiends who are far more likable and easy to deal with than Orcus, with far more sympathetic goals. He doesn't even have exclusivity over his portfolio. Who needs him aside from a few half-crazed mortal necromancers when the same power is available to be tapped from (comparitively) friendlier sources elsewhere?</blockquote>

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